Girl Guides are now GIRL ONLY!

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Following April's supreme court ruling, the Girl Guides have FINALLY made a statement and will remain GIRLS ONLY - Finally closing the door on admitting trans members or allowing BOYS to invade female only spaces/camp (which, would be done without informing parents that their daughter would be sharing a room with a biological male!) - I have a previous post in feminism chat for anyone wanting to read the previous thread on this

EMAIL RECEIVED HOT OFF THE PRESS 5 MIN AGO -

As the parent of a young member in Girlguiding, following April’s Supreme Court decision relating to sex and gender, we wanted to give you an update. Many organisations across the country have been facing complex decisions about what it means for girls and women and for the wider communities affected, including us.

Girlguiding’s governing charity documents set out that the membership and people who benefit from our organisation are girls and women. In April, the Supreme Court ruled that girls and women are defined in the Equality Act 2010 by their biological sex at birth.
Following detailed considerations, expert legal advice and input from senior members, young members and our Council, Girlguiding’s Board of Trustees has made the difficult decision that Girlguiding must change Girlguiding must change, following the Supreme Court’s ruling.

From today, 2 December, it is with a heavy heart that we are announcing trans girls and young women will no longer be able to join Girlguiding. This is a decision we would have preferred not to make, and we know that this may be upsetting for members of our community.

There will be no immediate changes for current young members but more information will be shared next week.

Most adult roles, including unit helpers, district helpers and administrative support, are already open to all, so we are confident that no volunteers will have to leave the organisation.

Girlguiding believes strongly in our value of inclusion, and we will continue to support young people and adults in marginalised groups. Over the next few months, we'll explore opportunities to champion this value and actively support young people who need us.

You can find our full statement and updated policy on our website.

We are proud to be the UK’s largest youth organisation dedicated to girls and is focused on creating an equal world for girls and young women. For over 100 years, we have been a welcoming space for all girls to have new experiences, support their communities, build friendships and grow their confidence.

While Girlguiding may feel a little different going forward, these core aims and principles will always be the same. We remain committed to treating everyone with dignity and respect, particularly those from marginalised groups that have felt the biggest impact of this decision.

If you have any immediate questions, we have our special support team in place, to give volunteers, parents and carers the best support we can. We are asking Girlguiding HQ, trading and country/region staff to refer any volunteer or parent who has questions about this announcement. Details below.

Contact [email protected] or 020 7532 3970
All calls/emails will be confidential, and the service will be open 24hrs, 7 days a week.
Find out more, including how this team will handle personal data.

Denise Wilson (Chair of Trustees), Felicity Oswald (CEO) and Tracy Foster (Chief Guide)

Perhaps they will join Scouts, or whichever the age appropriate group for your child, instead of GG too.

I'm not sure if you missed my question above so I'll just copy it in below, the thread is moving quite fast

"How old is your child, and at what age did you start using female pronouns etc if you don't mind me asking?"

The social contagion wasn't around then. Kids were kids and learnt biology. No one can change sex. They can wear clothes they 'perceive' to belong to a particular sex, change names, wear dangly earrings and swish their long hair but they cannot change the DNA in their body. They will always be the sex they were born as, people are no longer wanting to play pretend. Reality matters. Sex matters.

It is not 'regressive' for girls to have just one single sex space. What is regressive is saying girls should have no space all for themselves. That is misogynist and offensive.

but won’t that be a shock when they find out he’s really a boy? I presume you haven’t told them. What happens when puberty hits? How do you explain that he won’t develop in the same way? They’ll realise he’s a boy and then the shit will hit the fan There are going to be a lot of upset children. And that, again, is on you.

Your male child cannot change sex and single sex provisions are not based on ‘identities’.

You can express how hurt you are that people don’t join you in using female language for your child. That has been purely your choice to use female language for a male child. However, it is not kind of you to expect anyone else to act as if your belief that your child has changed sex is materially real or to change their language usage to suit your beliefs.

I also suggest you start looking deeply into any suicide statistics because perhaps you have missed the studies that show that poor mental health continues with transition. Perhaps you are only getting part of the facts about suicide rates and need to look further.

FFS. Yes, girls can join in with boys and do any and all of those activities… but they are also entitled to do other activities in a single-sex environment should they wish to do so. Just as boys are free to do so in Boys Brigade and similar.

GGUK is a SINGLE SEX organisation in it legal constitution. It should never have allowed boys, however they identify to join.

It owes a deep and sincere apology to the fragile boys it allowed to join and in colluding in the illusion they were girls, and it owes an additional apology to any girl it has gaslit into having to accept a boy in their single sexed space. It also owes an apology to all the girls who were excluded from joining for religious or cultural reasons because their families understand that people cannot change sex and that there were boys present, meaning that that they could not join.

Biology is reality. It is the reason women have been systematically oppressed. What is scary is the misogynistic Mens Rights trans ideology and the parents who go along with it.

Not read the full thread.
but I am VERY pleased to receive this email.

every single survey GG has ever emailed out- I have added in to my reply -how on earth can they accept male children at camp and adequately safeguard all the children? As it’s basically impossible.

im sure they are only changing the policy because of the legal threat but id like to think I wasn’t the only parent complaining.

I wish I’d had the courage to behind the legal case. Well done that mum.

It wasn’t made mixed single because of some mean , strident women insisting that the boys had to share. Scouts was failing due to low numbers and needed the girls to increase their numbers and funds. I read here earlier that Scouts actually reached out to GG and suggested a merger but were knocked back.

What is bewildering about a single sex organisation remaining single sex and not being guilty of illegal sex discrimination?

The boys have been sold a lie. There is a ticking time bomb, those poor children have been fed lies. They should never have been told they can change sex, it's outrageous the lies told to children nowadays.

If no girl at Brownies was allowed to use male language for your male
child, there is little doubt that those female children were validation resources for your child.

If you are teaching female children not to trust their instinct that the person in front of them is male when they materially are male, you are reducing their ability to establish boundaries and understand consent.

How is that kind to female children?

Has the Boys' Brigade gone co-ed now? Not quite - it seems that the Girls' Association is a sub-group which sometimes has activities alongside the boys.

I've trawled through the website and it looks like it varies from group to group - some are still completely single sex.

https://boys-brigade.org.uk/girls-association/

The Girls' Brigade is still listed separately.

https://girls-brigade-scotland.org.uk/new-to-gbs/parent-information/why-gbs/

Oh and there absolutely are safeguarding issues. Each of those organisation will deal with thousands of safeguarding incidents every year.

But no one here is saying that there can be no mixed sex organisations. They are fine and will have their own safeguarding policies (that on many occasions are not enforced). I am happy that there are lots of mixed sex organisations but why can’t there be this one particular single sex organisation that remains actually single sex instead of pretend single sex?

Girls and boys can absolutely be friends. But girls should not be taught to ignore their innate knowledge and ability to recognise boys and men.

Well in all my days I have seen plenty.

Brilliant post but....(sorry!)

I am not a monarchist at all but I love the late Queen Elizabeth because when Catherine was pregnant for the first time she changed the rules on primogeniture so that it was simply the first born who took the title not the first son. I was honestly disappointed when the baby was a boy (no offence George!), I was so hoping for the first girl in history to be the heir in her own right!

Because parents and the children involved have no expectation that these are single sex organisations.

GG leaders were told not to disclose that a child was male to parents or other GGs. Maybe you cannot see the safeguarding failure in that but it removes informed consent from being made. It means that a GG could be sleeping in accommodation with a male child (of any age as a minor) and showering with them.

Also, if female children are told that it is appropriate for them to be sharing accommodation and showers and changing rooms with people they know are male, it teaches them to have no boundaries. Because they have been told by adults who should know better that they should treat male children as if they are female when they are materially not.

This is a massive safeguarding failure.

Biology ideology - what a bizarre concept

A poster making an emotional plea for what appears to be a very young "trans child", who holds biology up as an "ideology", rather than an inescapable reality, encouraged a male child to join a female single sex group making it mixed sex regardless of all the girls who were there because it was a single sex group, and quotes reckless misinformation about suicide? It's not sounding very much like feminism to me. It does sound like TRA talking points.

I mean it absolutely could true! I believe a PP account that there are parents out there with a 4 year old who say their child has a trans identity. I do believe parents like this exist, but I really don't think they're half as "kind" to their own child as they'd like to think they are.

So does that mean that the boy scouts is now boys only?.

I've just checked. In my area (Fife) there are currently three - plus one in Kinross, 7 miles away.

There is no such organisation as Boy Scouts, Just Scouts UK, a mixed sex organisation since 1992.

HTH

There are loads of posts addressing this particular gotcha above. It's a massive thread - I've not read it all - but, FWIW, many of these pop up in very recent pages.

Aye, but it makes a nice soundbite, I guess.