Trans woman in Riot Women! WTF?

[OneBadKitty]

I usually love anything by Sally Wainwright, but what was she thinking by have a trans-woman in a band called Riot Women that is supposed to be full of menopausal women singing about HRT and other female related issues?

Maybe just a bun and a hot drink then?

It really isn't valid at all. You sound like a conservative American complaining that gay people are in everything now. Being gay is also not the norm, numerically speaking.

If a writer wants a trans character in her work, that fine. Nobody gets to police that.

I said that middle aged menopausal women hanging out with young trans identifying men is not the norm or anything but extremely rare. Nothing to do with gay people.

If a writer wants a trans character in her work, that fine. Nobody gets to police that.

We are entitled to criticise that though, but for putting forward our opinions on a public forum, some PPs on this thread are happy to throw abuse at us. So far we’ve been called cunts and terfs, compared to racists and told that it’s perfectly fine for that young man to wear a t shirt saying ‘fuck terfs’, (that’s retrospectively our fault for objecting to his casting apparently).

Interestingly, female only attracted lesbians in Hebden Bridge are not having such a nice time of it, so it’s a huge ‘coincidence’ that the place of a lesbian band member is apparently taken by this male actor. Lesbians that don’t include men in their dating pool are bullied and ostracised from Lesbian groups and Pride in HB.

www.hebdenbridge.co.uk/forum/2023/016.html

There was a lesbian in the band. A group of straight young men beat her to a pulp and strung her up half naked. The nice straight policeman who found her then took pictures for social media before calling an ambulance. If that wasn’t enough he deliberately dropped her as he got her down. I guess a trans woman serving a drink in a slogan tshirt is worse though.

I don’t think anyone called you a terf.

I said terf-y views like those shared on this thread make it very justifiable to wear a t shirt that says fuck terfs.

Trans exclusion is exactly the position some posters are taking.

And then I challenged your position that wearing a fuck terfs t shirt means a person hates or is hostile to women.

You maybe need to take a step back and a deep breath Bundle. Have a nice soothing cup of tea and chillax.

This, this, this.

I said that middle aged menopausal women hanging out with young trans identifying men is not the norm or anything but extremely rare. Nothing to do with gay people

This is just such a weird take. So because you as a middle aged woman (I'm presuming you are with that statement) don't "hang out" with any trans women, you think none do or that it's rare?! Who are we supposed to hang out with then? Have I missed a memo somewhere with a list of "approved" people?! 😕

Disappointing that Wainwright thought a drama about strong women needed a man pretending to be a woman in it but there you go. He's hardly in it and it is a brilliant so don't let it put you off. In her next drama we can only hope there aren't drag queens doing story time at the local primary.

Transgender people have been part of human life since forever. Isn't it time society caught up?

No one is saying a trans person serving a drink is worse than 'straight' men beating a lesbian or a 'straight' pc taking pictures of the victim .

The plot of the drama and the sexuality of victims and perpetrators are absolutely irrelevant to the thread <and a spoiler for anyone watching it as it is aired>.

It is a drama about women, not men dressing as women.

No one is saying a trans person serving a drink is worse than 'straight' men beating a lesbian or a 'straight' pc taking pictures of the victim

They have actually. This little gem was posted yesterday:

What could be more misogynistic than a man claiming he is a women because he “feels like one”.

And actually the entire premise of this thread implies it. No anger about the numerous examples of women suffering at the hands of men that appear in the series, just about the mere existence of a trans woman who doesn’t say boo to a goose.

Society has finally caught up and we all agree that men can dress as they wish but they can't change sex or pronouns.

I'd have had no issue with the character if they'd correctly referred to him as him but the 'she' and 'her' was pointed imo and it is incorrect.

I’m lovely and calm thank you @Notsofastnow .

You seem to be the one justifying violent language against women.

I said terf-y views like those shared on this thread make it very justifiable to wear a t shirt that says fuck terfs.

You claim that it’s also against so called male ‘terf’s’ (such a dehumanising slur that you throw around so casually btw) but the vast majority of people who speak on this are women and any men that speak up are very rarely heaped with the abuse and violence that women are.

You refused to answer my question earlier about your definition of a terf so we’re none the wiser on what you include as ‘terfy views’. No men in women’s sports? No men in women’s prisons? What about other spaces? Should we give away our words to men? Some women on here have already curtailed their ability to advocate for their rights by making themselves a subset of women by using ‘cis’.

Why is it ok to use violent language against women who express their views that men can’t become women? Thanks for making the #bekind position clear though - it’s always helpful for readers.

Like recently in Bristol for example where Professor Alice Sullivan was doing a talk on VWAG. There was such violent behaviour from the trans activists that they had to move the talk off the ground floor where they were hammering on the windows but they had to call in the mounted police. For a talk by an expert statistician. Check out the footage in the tweet if you can and justify that.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5432019-bristol-mounted-police-deployed-due-to-anti-woman-protest

Can you clarify WHY you are so keen for us to accept this man in a woman’s role in a show supposedly centring women?

Why are you so exercised about us objecting and making our feelings known?

just about the mere existence of a trans woman who doesn’t say boo to a goose.

The actor is happy to say ‘fuck terfs’ loud and clear though.

He’s not exactly convincing us of his lovely cuddly unthreatening nature…

I agree, there is nothing a TIM can tell me about menopausal women. Men don't speak for women. Trans identified men are not women and never will be, they are a subset of men

It's not a man in a woman's role, he's clearly a man playing a man, there's no suggestion that he actually IS a woman, but it's just not appropriate or realistic to have a transwoman in the bad which was formed on the basis of an actual woman's desire to sing about women's issues.

More deflection. Loud and clear via a tshirt?

Any comments about the numerous examples of male violence in the drama?

I avoid anything with men pretending to be women in it now as a matter of principle

I couldn't care less whether you accept this trans actor in a show centring women or not. Some of the language and the visceral distaste/disgust for this character is rather disturbing. Just don't watch the show if the very brief appearance of a trans woman in a very minor role bothers you so much.

However, it is annoying when some posters make stuff up about Sally Wainwright being bullied into including a trans character when this is obviously not the case.

I don't think I'm asking for acceptance. That would be too much to ask. But a little nuance would be nice. An acknowledgement that not all transwomen are predators or perverts would be nice. An acknowledgement that the issues addressed in the show around misogyny from, you know, men, weigh far more heavily (or should) than the presence of a character who does precisely nothing offensive. Also the ability to distinguish the actor from the character played would be nice - the programme is fiction, after all.

I won't be holding my breath.

'Also the ability to distinguish the actor from the character played would be nice - the programme is fiction, after all.'

But the actor is a trans person irl?

I don't understand why you keep mentioning the male violence in the show. We know men can be violent, that's why we don't want them in female only places.

I was referring to the fact that the actor seems to be an unpleasant person, but the character isn't. Aside from the 'trans people shouldn't be seen, heard or even exist' narrative on here, there seems to be conflation between actor and character.

Anyone thinking SW was coerced into writing this character into the show is deluded. So author's prerogative and all that.

As for your reaction to @blossomtoes , the point she is making is that literally none of the comments about this programme are about the horrific violence against women depicted, as committed by Men Who Are Not Trans. And yet all the comments are about one trans actor/character - it does give the impression that opposing the trans and painting them all as a collective of predators is more important to some people than opposing actual violence committed by men.

It was entirely appropriate because that's how it was written, and the character that the writer wanted there.

Your feelings or opinion on that do not fucking matter.