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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bristol - Mounted police deployed due to anti-woman protest

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fromorbit · 23/10/2025 10:41

Professor Alice Sullivan a statistician faced a nasty demo for doing a lecture talking about reality.

Prof Jo Phoenix

Worth pausing for a moment and taking on board what just happened at Bristol University and the fact that mounted police were called to deal with a protest against a sociologist who wrote a government report.

I mean.... this is definitely giving 2018 vibes.

Professor Alice Sullivan
This was a surreal moment. Many thanks to BristolUni
Dept of Social Policy for the invitation. And especially to Steve and the excellent security team. The TRA demonstration was apparently quite ugly, with mounted police needed. I have never experienced the like.

https://nitter.net/ProfAliceS/status/1981027679332687923

This follows Bristol council refusing to talk about women's rights walking out on discussions and signs at recent Bristol marches calling for violence:;
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5418310-fuck-cops-arm-trans-women-placard-at-pro-trans-march-in-bristol

More evidence that the TAs as they lose ground are turning to more extreme measures.

They are proving that violence and threats is at the heart of the movement as women have been saying all along.

“Fuck cops. Arm trans women.” Placard at pro trans march in Bristol | Mumsnet

^The march is one of many the city has seen since a Supreme Court ruling in April concluded that the legal definition of a woman is only based on thei...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5418310-fuck-cops-arm-trans-women-placard-at-pro-trans-march-in-bristol

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Greyskybluesky · 23/10/2025 10:57

I thought they were too afraid to leave the house? 🤔

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2025 10:59

Unbelievable. Thank you for the link
https://nitter.net/ProfAliceS/status/1981027679332687923
you have to read it to get the full impact of the TRA demo. Awful.

Unlike other rights movements, the trans movement has skipped decades of political arguments and peaceful demonstrations and gone straight to violence.
Unprovoked violence - the idea that this is retribution for what transwomen face 'on a daily basis' making them 'afraid to leave their homes', has no basis in fact.

Well done to Prof Sullivan for her courage and resilience in facing them down.

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2025 11:43

I think the thread's attention may be elsewhere - three tribunals going on - but I hope everybody reads this and sees the seriousness of the incident.
Not that we need convincing, but it's powerful evidence of the bullying, threatening behaviour of TRAs.

Greyskybluesky · 23/10/2025 11:47

I agree Marie. The police were involved FGS. What more does it need to take for someone in authority to see these activists for what they are? So soon after the window smashing and intimidation in Brighton as well. How committed to the omnicause do you have to be to not realise that these people are dangerous?

and breathe...

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2025 11:51

I've had a quick look online for local news coverage, but can't find anything. If anybody has any links to reporting, please share!

Helleofabore · 23/10/2025 11:55

I saw what happened mentioned on twitter.

https://x.com/whtwldbabsdo/status/1980994292891214198?s=46

This tweet says:

"And just as ProfAliceS shows this slide highlighting the abuse that women have faced for talking about sex and gender, trans rights activists appear at the window with a speaker and their placards."

From my reading around the events, Professor Alice Sullivan, a guest lecturer at Bristol University discussing the abuse women experience online when discussing the issues that negatively impact us, ended up having to move lecture rooms due to angry male voices outside led by a male voice on a loud speaker and drums. The signs pushed against the windows and male faces at the windows were only about intimidation and seeking to silence the lecture.

This moment was captured though. A slide depicting that abuse, along with the meme that so many of us here saw posted constantly on twitter before it started to be removed and is rare to see there now, being discussed while placards are being pressed against windows and male faces are visibly looking in the windows. You really couldn’t make this shit up.

But apparently, it is ‘both sides’. Apparently, women speaking is provoking this response and we should have expected this response because such an oppressed group cannot be expected to take their oppression lying down. It really is men telling women to STFU.

Truecaramel · 23/10/2025 11:59

Fucking 1984. UK is living 1984 and those idiots are screaming for more.

GallantKumquat · 23/10/2025 12:03

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2025 11:43

I think the thread's attention may be elsewhere - three tribunals going on - but I hope everybody reads this and sees the seriousness of the incident.
Not that we need convincing, but it's powerful evidence of the bullying, threatening behaviour of TRAs.

I took note of Bindel's comment that it's getting worse, more rhetorically hateful, broader based in the trans community, and with more physicality. As someone biased on the topic, I tend not to trust my own impression of things getting worse; often it just means I'm paying closer attention. But I do trust Bindel's impressions.

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2025 12:08

Helleofabore · 23/10/2025 11:55

I saw what happened mentioned on twitter.

https://x.com/whtwldbabsdo/status/1980994292891214198?s=46

This tweet says:

"And just as ProfAliceS shows this slide highlighting the abuse that women have faced for talking about sex and gender, trans rights activists appear at the window with a speaker and their placards."

From my reading around the events, Professor Alice Sullivan, a guest lecturer at Bristol University discussing the abuse women experience online when discussing the issues that negatively impact us, ended up having to move lecture rooms due to angry male voices outside led by a male voice on a loud speaker and drums. The signs pushed against the windows and male faces at the windows were only about intimidation and seeking to silence the lecture.

This moment was captured though. A slide depicting that abuse, along with the meme that so many of us here saw posted constantly on twitter before it started to be removed and is rare to see there now, being discussed while placards are being pressed against windows and male faces are visibly looking in the windows. You really couldn’t make this shit up.

But apparently, it is ‘both sides’. Apparently, women speaking is provoking this response and we should have expected this response because such an oppressed group cannot be expected to take their oppression lying down. It really is men telling women to STFU.

Edited

Thanks for that link, Helleofabore - the nitter link given by the OP
https://nitter.net/ProfAliceS/status/1981027679332687923
is very extensive and good for those of use on on X.

I agree - 'both sides'😡

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 23/10/2025 12:36

Thanks for the links, I guess we know who's voting in the twats on the council. It's just unbelievable that they consider this as acceptable behaviour in a civilized society. The coppers really need to start arresting and charging the unbalanced misogynists. 🤬

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 23/10/2025 13:35

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2025 10:59

Unbelievable. Thank you for the link
https://nitter.net/ProfAliceS/status/1981027679332687923
you have to read it to get the full impact of the TRA demo. Awful.

Unlike other rights movements, the trans movement has skipped decades of political arguments and peaceful demonstrations and gone straight to violence.
Unprovoked violence - the idea that this is retribution for what transwomen face 'on a daily basis' making them 'afraid to leave their homes', has no basis in fact.

Well done to Prof Sullivan for her courage and resilience in facing them down.

Totally agree.

That idiot on the nitter thread saying 'you want free speech but get upset when TRAs want conversation'.....

Threatening to kill women for speaking, pictures of guns, banging on windows, shouting, screaming, peeing like a peeved toddler, is not conversation you absolute fuckwits .

There is no capacity for conversation. There is no capacity to understand that women have needs and rights too or to cope with appropriate boundaries or any reciprocity. It's long past time the authorities got tough on this antisocial thuggish behaviour, and stopped looking the other way because basically and fundamentally they agree that women shouldn't have rights that annoy men. Or be allowed to have bodies that men can't access to meet their 'needs'.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 23/10/2025 13:41

GallantKumquat · 23/10/2025 12:03

I took note of Bindel's comment that it's getting worse, more rhetorically hateful, broader based in the trans community, and with more physicality. As someone biased on the topic, I tend not to trust my own impression of things getting worse; often it just means I'm paying closer attention. But I do trust Bindel's impressions.

If the police and establishment won't set boundaries and continue to build up the confidence of antisocial thugs that they can do this and get away with it, then yes, they're going to escalate. Of course they are.

We don't talk about race and culture issues in modern Britain under Starmers govt (and in the previous govt either) or about women's rights. We pat heads, cover it up and pretend not to have seen it. Until inevitably something will happen that will make the general public sufficiently angry to force action.

Going by the grooming gangs inquiry the 'action' will be pitiful, and largely about govt arse covering.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/10/2025 15:26

Bristol, the Brighton of the West where the council is utterly captured so they'll do nothing ditto the police who brought in Cheryl Morgan currently of the Diversity Trust to train them all up on being trans friendly over 10 years ago https://www.diversitytrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Bio-Cheryl-Morgan.pdf

https://www.diversitytrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Bio-Cheryl-Morgan.pdf

StElwicksNeighbourhoodAssociation · 23/10/2025 15:37

It must have been bad for the police to actually bother doing something.

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IwantToRetire · 23/10/2025 18:05

I am finding this quite confusing. The nitter info is hard to read, and the OP sorts of jumps into the end of something that has happened.

So sorry to be boring but can someone just do a quick outline of the time line eg

Alice Sullivan invited to speak? lecture? at ???
Was the meeting student only open to the public, advertised?
Then before and or during the meeting demonstrations?
And mounted police were called?

Thanks

heathspeedwell · 23/10/2025 18:10

I really hope this gets national press coverage. And I hope Alice and all the other women there are safe.

Leafstamp · 23/10/2025 20:09

IwantToRetire · 23/10/2025 18:05

I am finding this quite confusing. The nitter info is hard to read, and the OP sorts of jumps into the end of something that has happened.

So sorry to be boring but can someone just do a quick outline of the time line eg

Alice Sullivan invited to speak? lecture? at ???
Was the meeting student only open to the public, advertised?
Then before and or during the meeting demonstrations?
And mounted police were called?

Thanks

This is the event in question:

https://www.bristol.ac.uk/sps/events/2025/prof-alice-sullivan-seminar.html

Open to all, and free of charge.

TRAs were so disruptive that the session had to be moved to a higher floor where they couldn’t bash on the windows and make noise that drowned out Prof Sullivan.

At some point mounted police were involved, yes, but I don’t know the details.

2025: Prof Alice Sullivan seminar | School for Policy Studies | University of Bristol

https://www.bristol.ac.uk/sps/events/2025/prof-alice-sullivan-seminar.html

IwantToRetire · 23/10/2025 20:15

Leafstamp · 23/10/2025 20:09

This is the event in question:

https://www.bristol.ac.uk/sps/events/2025/prof-alice-sullivan-seminar.html

Open to all, and free of charge.

TRAs were so disruptive that the session had to be moved to a higher floor where they couldn’t bash on the windows and make noise that drowned out Prof Sullivan.

At some point mounted police were involved, yes, but I don’t know the details.

Many thanks for that summary.

So she was there to present information from a Government sponsored review of data on sex and gender.

No wonder they wanted to silence her.

I would like to think that not just the university, but the police, and in fact the Government would want to comment on not only the idea that she shouldn't be allowed to speak about this is public, but also the level of intimidation.

I hope this gets wider news coverage.

I suspect not just because its Bristol, but because there has been so much push back since the Supreme Court ruling that they feel entitled to behave like this.

SionnachRuadh · 23/10/2025 21:10

I don't really know Alice, but we have friends in common.

She's like five foot nothing. She might be intellectually intimidating, but I find it difficult to believe that these lads were actually in fear of her.

Her main theme is that if, as a society, we're going to do better by women and girls, we have to collect accurate data on sex. So it would be helpful for government, local authorities, the NHS etc to be able to break down data on social indicators by sex.

That's it. That's what TRAs are portraying as Hitler level bigotry. That's what they say they feel threatened by.

Someone really needs to stand up to these numpties, but I feel Bristol is not the city where that's going to happen.

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2025 21:29

Somebody boasted on X that they had set off a fire alarm to disrupt the event.
I hope they are identified, because...
False alarms of fire
(1)A person commits an offence if he* knowingly gives or causes to be given a false alarm of fire to a person acting on behalf of a fire and rescue authority.
(2)A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) is liable on summary conviction—
(a)to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale,
(b)to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks, or
(c)to both.
Fire and Rescue Services Act 2004

*bigots!Grin

lcakethereforeIam · 23/10/2025 21:34

Has that Green MP tweeted yet to blame Professor Sullivan for the violence because she dared to speak in Bristol?

Does she have to be out of town by sundown?

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 23/10/2025 21:45

Her main theme is that if, as a society, we're going to do better by women and girls, we have to collect accurate data on sex. So it would be helpful for government, local authorities, the NHS etc to be able to break down data on social indicators by sex.

And the entire drama is because some men don't want women to have this. Because it upsets men and limits their inner self in expression.

And instead of being told to get a grip, these men are being head patted and enabled. At the expense of the entire other half of the population.

You could see the sexism from space. It's farcical.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/10/2025 21:46

lcakethereforeIam · 23/10/2025 21:34

Has that Green MP tweeted yet to blame Professor Sullivan for the violence because she dared to speak in Bristol?

Does she have to be out of town by sundown?

Im amazed Bristol's very own Green MP Carla Denyer hasn't tweeted to blame Prof Sullivan for turning up with facts and evidence