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What’s your prediction of the next cause the ‘activists’ are going to move into, after Gaza?

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Dangeos · 18/10/2025 17:56

Seems like they’re getting bored of Palestine now that it’s a bit awkward talking about Hamas killing Palestinians in the streets.

so what do we think the next big cause is that they’re going to move onto? Do we think they'll finally bother to start talking about the awful crisis in Sudan? Or is there a trendier topic emerging?

OP posts:
Carla786 · 18/11/2025 19:37

FrenchBunionSoup · 20/10/2025 08:17

My guesses would be:
A) anti-AI and/or pro-Universal Basic Income; and
B) Disability discrimination, but in a way that is going to make things much worse for disabled people.

There are valid issues with AI though.

How do you think protests might worsen things for disabled people?

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 19:40

Dangeos · 20/10/2025 16:25

I volunteer at a soup kitchen in town most weekends.

But anyway yes the people who suspect that Digital ID is going to become the new thing, I reckon you’re onto something there.

Don't you think there are valid concerns about digital ID?

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 19:40

Swiftie1878 · 20/10/2025 16:35

I was in London at the weekend. All the noise outside Downing Street was about Digital IDs.

Don't you think there are at least concerning aspects to having digital ID?

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 19:41

bythebanksof · 20/10/2025 17:22

For the UK protesters, I'd like to see the same level of focus on the Iranian role. There has been really minimal public understanding of their role for decades in funding and guiding terrorism in the middle east and beyond.

If you read any of the "sentiment" surveys then you'll see how people's understanding of, and attitude towards, Israel has changed - worldwide. People know more about Israel as a state. This will have a long term impact. Hopefully such groups can do the same for Iran?

For the other Gaza protesters who want to annex it and remove Palestinians. They'll just have to carry on as best they can. They are in government, and have very large support in Israel. www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2025/08/right-wing-israeli-settlers-annex-gaza/683776/

I agree re Iran.

Do you agree with forcibly removing Palestinians?

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 19:46

AnyoneWhoHasAHeart · 20/10/2025 18:27

What rubish.

What good do you think marching in London is doing exactly? That’s right. None.

The only thing these protesters are is virtue signallers or thugs. Take yer pick.

There is absolutely nothing to be achieved by protesting to “free Palestine” or whichever country it is they might protest about next when they’re doing it in London. Or do you think that the Israeli government are out there thinking “there was a protest in London on Saturday, a few thousand people were there. Terrifying. We’d better declare a ceasefire.”?

It's clear that Palestine Action are probably a terrorist supporting group, so I have no sympathy with people there on that account.

However, you're being disingenuous. There are plenty of reasons to protest about a foreign event despite not being able to directly change it. To raise awareness for charity, for one thing. To pressure the UK government: Israel does take notice of foreign suppprters' views at least somewhat.

I hope you aren't someone saying Gaza protestors should protest about Sudan instead ('as well', yes). That would be hypocritical, since protests are even less likely to move the murderous RSF..

TessSaysYes · 18/11/2025 19:48

This is the kind of post coming out of a military silos in Israel, people working 9-5 dropping posts into social media.
I think most people/the public are upset by, or object to genocide, right? Activism is a lawful and useful facet of a healthy democracy. Would you rather live in Putin's Russia?

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 19:50

Whammyyammy · 20/10/2025 18:54

Totally agree. The hair dye brigade used to march round Bath on a Saturday morning, chanting about rivers to sea and beating a drum, whilst expecting people to get out of their way.
Achieved absolutely nothing towards peace.

Edited

Why do people say protestors should protest Nigerian or Sudanese atrocities, then? The RSF or Islamists certainly won't listen.

You know the answer. Sensible protestors aim to pressure the UK government (an Israeli ally) and raise awareness of charity initiatives.

I accept the people you describe though are probably just woke idiots.

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 19:52

OonaStubbs · 21/10/2025 00:05

They'll keep banging on about Gaza as the ceasefire won't last for too long. Hamas will break it, Israel will retaliate and we'll get all the wailing and gnashing of teeth at those horrible Je... ahem, "Israelis" once again.

It's possible to condone retaliation from Israel but still believe some of their tactics have been immoral. Are Jewish critics (eg in Haaretz) all anti Semitic? Of course self hating Jews exist.

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 19:53

Worldgonecrazy · 21/10/2025 06:10

I agree with your comments about protesting for digital I’D. The OP asked what the next cause would be. Not what we thought the next cause should be.

The pro hamas protests were mostly attended by those who go with the latest fashion rather than deeper beliefs. We can all agree that a ceasefire is a good thing,

I think pro digital ID and support for net zero will be the next fashionable causes.

I do think some protestors for Palestine Action were there on principle that it's a bad organisation but that the banning could stand an anti democratic slippery slope.

But probably a minority.

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 19:55

WindOfUserNameChange · 21/10/2025 14:56

68k dead including 18k children. Largest number of child amputees in the world. Aid agencies thwarted at every opportunity. Silencing of journalists. But yeah, thankfully, nothing really terrible happened there and anyone who objected was just trying to be trendy.

Yes.

The banning of journalists is one of the serious issues I DO have with Israel. I fully support their right to exist, but nit all of Likud's tactics

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 19:59

Mealy82 · 21/10/2025 16:13

We've seen the protests and moral panics come and go over the last few years - Brexit, Covid, BLM, climate change, Ukraine, trans and Israel. In some cases they arguments were absurd, in others the cause might have had virtue but the far left did it no good by making the loudest noise from the most insane base.

I wonder if the next big thing will be something quite different: It'll be demands that anyone richer than them (ie £10 million to billionaires) pay much higher rates of taxation to fund them not working and taking medication for their mental health issues (particularly ADHD). The left openly despises the working class and poor now, but they need to have a reason to tax the rich heavily, and that could well be it.

After all, everything wrong in the world is down to people with more wealth than you and mental health

It's odd to call all those causes moral panics., especually wars and climate change.

Most involve huge suffering and genuinely severe problems,,even if extremists have hijacked them.

Trans is a hard one as trans people do suffer a lot of genuine issues but otoh it's very hard when all the lobby groups are pushing to destroy women's safety and privacy and for hormones & surgeries for teens.

I didn't see much extremism in the Ukraine protests. That seems an odd one out.

There's also valid reasons to support a wealth tax apart from laziness & feigned illness. Fwiw, Reform voters seen to support one as a group, not exactly the demographic you mean! 🤣

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 20:02

MrsSkylerWhite · 22/10/2025 11:25

Don’t be silly. The protests are obviously for the attention of the UK Government.
Many people object to their country’s involvement against their wishes.

👏

Burlingtonbertha · 18/11/2025 20:08

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 19:40

Don't you think there are at least concerning aspects to having digital ID?

None whatsoever

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 20:12

Burlingtonbertha · 18/11/2025 20:08

None whatsoever

How can we ensure that it won't escalate to digital currency?

We're already had figures like Farage have their bank account closed for expressing opinions.

Burlingtonbertha · 18/11/2025 20:12

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 20:12

How can we ensure that it won't escalate to digital currency?

We're already had figures like Farage have their bank account closed for expressing opinions.

No problem with that either. So much tax evasion is facilitated by cash

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 20:13

Burlingtonbertha · 18/11/2025 20:12

No problem with that either. So much tax evasion is facilitated by cash

True. I still think it's too risky.

Rexinasaurus · 18/11/2025 20:14

Burlingtonbertha · 18/11/2025 20:08

None whatsoever

What information do you think will be held on your digital ID?

Burlingtonbertha · 18/11/2025 20:14

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 20:13

True. I still think it's too risky.

Are you prone to falling for conspiracy theories? You come across as a bit paranoid.

Burlingtonbertha · 18/11/2025 20:15

Rexinasaurus · 18/11/2025 20:14

What information do you think will be held on your digital ID?

Everything hopefully. I’ve lived in a country with it before and it made life so much easier.

Rexinasaurus · 18/11/2025 20:17

Burlingtonbertha · 18/11/2025 20:15

Everything hopefully. I’ve lived in a country with it before and it made life so much easier.

What country?

What is ‘everything’?

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 20:18

sabababa · 22/10/2025 11:11

You keep repeating Hamas’s talking points as if they’re verified facts. The so-called report of “135 mutilated bodies” comes from Hamas officials — the same organization that staged, filmed, and glorified the slaughter of Israeli civilians on 7 October and is now executing their own civillians in the street. Quoting Hamas as a credible source on human rights is like quoting ISIS on humanitarian law. I mean, come on.

You’re condemning young Israelis on the basis of unverified claims made by a terrorist group still holding hostage bodies, still firing rockets, and still openly vowing to repeat 7 October “again and again.” Nice.

You’re right about one thing — Hamas are absolutely not “the goodies.” But everything else you just said shows how skewed and morally confused this conversation has become. You talk about Israeli soldiers “pressing buttons” or “pointing guns” as if they woke up one morning and decided to go on a killing spree, ignoring the simple fact that this war began with a massacre and many Israeli soldiers have themselves been killed SINCE 7/10. Sadly, this is what war looks like and war is brutal and, indeed, those participating in war, whether British in Iraq and Afghanistan or Israelis in Gaza, certainly need mental health supprort to deal with their experiences. Even more traumatic for these young Israelis and is taht over 1,200 Israelis (and others of course like Thais, Nepalis and fellow Palestinians) were slaughtered in a single day — raped, burned, mutilated, and kidnapped — while the world filmed it, debated it, and then somehow decided to moralize at Israel for responding.

The IDF didn’t invade Gaza for sport; it went in because Hamas built an entire war machine on the backs of its own civilians.

I agree that criticising Israel for fighting Hamas is abhorrent. What happened on Oct 7 does NOT mean any tactic is justified, though.

I agree that comparing Israeli soldiers to Hamas terrorists is disgusting. But it's still possible to criticise individuals who executed strategies that caused unnecessary civilian loss of life.

At the moment, the picture is still very unclear, so I do not think that anyone can know which strategies may have been uneccesary. I have my own opinions but there's very unclear information so how cab anyone really know?

I do feel extremely uneasy about journalists being banned from Gaza.

Burlingtonbertha · 18/11/2025 20:18

Rexinasaurus · 18/11/2025 20:17

What country?

What is ‘everything’?

An EU country

It had tax details, social security eligibility, medical records, where you lived, all utilities records inc phone, bank details, next of kin, nationality. Etc etc

Burlingtonbertha · 18/11/2025 20:19

Burlingtonbertha · 18/11/2025 20:18

An EU country

It had tax details, social security eligibility, medical records, where you lived, all utilities records inc phone, bank details, next of kin, nationality. Etc etc

Right to work, where you worked and what you did, qualifications, photo id.

Carla786 · 18/11/2025 20:24

Burlingtonbertha · 18/11/2025 20:18

An EU country

It had tax details, social security eligibility, medical records, where you lived, all utilities records inc phone, bank details, next of kin, nationality. Etc etc

Was the country's motto, 'You will own nothing and be happy?' 🤣

Seriously though, don't you think this potentially could put too much power in the government's hands?

Rexinasaurus · 18/11/2025 20:31

Burlingtonbertha · 18/11/2025 20:19

Right to work, where you worked and what you did, qualifications, photo id.

None of the digital id schemes in Europe (Estonia, Denmark, Spain), are mandatory. It’s still a choice.

If people want to give their personal data away fair enough (a bit like people who sign up for dna tests for fun), but it shouldn’t be mandatory.

Huge corporation Oracle - (cbs, cnn And soon tik tok), owned by Larry Ellison is behind it all in the uk. Why do we think he was on stage in Dubai talking about our NHS (best form of country wide data source anywhere in the world), backed up by Tony Blair? Tony Blair who controls KS on this issue. They weren’t in Dubai talking about mandatory digital id for charity. It’s only to make lots and lots and lots of money. And to control.

Anyone who thinks otherwise, is very very naive.

https://www.matildatv.com/watch/the-man-behind-the-digital-id-push-is-larry-ellison-owner-of-oracle-cbs-cnn-and-soon-tiktok-he-wantsm6wx7vSEiyx3Aeb.html

The man behind the digital ID push is Larry Ellison, owner of Oracle, CBS, CNN, and, soon, TikTok. He wants data centralization and total surveillance.

The man behind the digital ID push is Larry Ellison, owner of Oracle, CBS, CNN, and, soon, TikTok. He wants data centralization and total surveillance. "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we're con

https://www.matildatv.com/watch/the-man-behind-the-digital-id-push-is-larry-ellison-owner-of-oracle-cbs-cnn-and-soon-tiktok-he-wants_m6wx7vSEiyx3Aeb.html