What’s your prediction of the next cause the ‘activists’ are going to move into, after Gaza?

[Dangeos]

Seems like they’re getting bored of Palestine now that it’s a bit awkward talking about Hamas killing Palestinians in the streets.

so what do we think the next big cause is that they’re going to move onto? Do we think they'll finally bother to start talking about the awful crisis in Sudan? Or is there a trendier topic emerging?

Ohhh, the holocaust again. Interesting why you chose THAT specific atrocity.

But, yeah, true. The world did nothing to help the Jews, many actively participated.

Not in the slightest. Soldiers have been absolutely traumatized by what they have been through in Gaza. It's been horrific. Many have also seen their friends killed by Hamas in the war and have been constantly exposed to life threatening danger while there. Of course that impacts you. All of Israel has been traumatized by 7/10 and the aftermath.

But interesting your concern for the welfare of Israeli solidiers and accusations of "murdering" tens of thousands. I note no concern for the Gazan civiliians who took part in 7/10 and entered the communities around Gaza to pillage, rape, steal and murder? Why so much concern just for Israelis?

In any case, Israel is small and Israeli soldiers remain very much part of their communities even while serving. As I said, you don't know Israeli society at all yet somehow feel qualified to opine about it.

Here you go
As you can see, the entire discussion was about the marches and demonstrations.
Crazy that you're doubling down even when clearly and obviously wrong but par for the course I guess.

Umm, do you have issues with reading comprehension?
I literally said wrote that many oppose israel's actions in gaza. I also said the marches are anti israel rather than pro Palestinian and that is absolutely the case.
TooBigForMyBoots · Today 01:04
Jews in Israel and around the world have opposed Netenyahu's genocide in Gaza. The Palestinian Diaspora, worried and in mourning seek peace for themselves and their families. People who aren't Jewish also oppose Netenyahu's policies.
No one is in any doubt that antisemites have jumped on the bandwagon, but to say that all those protesting Benjamin Netenyahu's actions in Gaza want the annihilation of Jews is as ridiculous as it is disgusting and divisive.
sabababa · Today 00:47
Very few. And many Jews are those who happen to have discovered a Jewish grandmother quite recently,.
While there are many who may oppose Israel's actions in Gaza and would be happy to see a peace deal, few Jews would feel comfortable with the slogans, chants and placards on show on these marches. These marches are not pro Palestinian but anti Israel. Big difference
TooBigForMyBoots · Today 00:11
It"s common knowledge that members of the Jewish Diaspora and Israelis have marched against what is happening in Gaza.

When the Jewish community themselves are wanting protests to stop as they feel threatened I think we should listen especially after the Manchester evwnts. We have a ceasefire which a lot of people want to hold and I think we should celebrate the fact there maybe progress towards some peace not demonize the Israelis on what seems like a perpetual basis. It doesn't help.

The irony of protestors shouting "stop the genocide' when we see videos of Hamas currently kneecapping and executing Gazan civilians is not lost on everyone.

it may very well be that Gazans become more afraid of Hamas than Israel very soon.

we await the disarmament of Hamas as the next step towards peace but we don't see any protests demanding that as if Hamas are some noble group of freedom fighters instead of an evil terrorist organisation.

The whole world has opinions and thoughts about other countries particularly when their behaviour is so abhorrent. The impact of being a victim is much more easily seen than of being a perpetrator and I’m fairly certain there is great concern for those that have lived in Palestine. What I don’t hear is much recognition of what needs to be recognised from the Israeli perpetrators. We can assume at some point there will be more clarity and even Israeli citizens will be allowed to see what has been done in their name by their armed forces who are as you say deeply embedded in most parts of society. Do you really want young men who have raped and tortured others or young women who have murdered or watched just returning home and being praised? How will that play out in future generations? How will they cope when war criminals start being held to account?
I do understand that it’s hard to face up to the fact that things will become more visible and what you see may be very very hard.

It’s amazing how easily some people throw around words like “perpetrator” and “war criminal” when talking about Israeli soldiers — people defending their homes after the single worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust. On 7 October, Hamas didn’t “resist” anything — it butchered entire families, raped women, burned children alive, and dragged terrified hostages into tunnels. These are the murderers, rapists, torturers and perpetrators you are looking for.

That’s not resistance; it’s sadism. And Israel, like any country that values life, fought back.

Calling Israeli soldiers “perpetrators,” dressed up in passive-aggressive moral posturing and faux-concern, isn’t compassion — it’s prejudice and you're just showing your true colours. It takes a breathtaking level of hypocrisy to ignore who started this war and who hides behind their own civilians while murdering others. The IDF is not beyond criticism, of course not, but it is one of the most scrutinized, self-critical militaries on earth. Its soldiers risk their lives to stop genocidal fanatics intent on destroying their country and targetting civiliians — they are not the monsters here. There probably will need to be a reckonign about the destruction in Gaza and the price paid by all but that can't be done ignoring the reason why this war began and the horrendous and barbaric regime that Israel was fighting.

We know Hamas doesn’t just target civilians; it revels in it. It builds its war machine under hospitals and schools, fires rockets from playgrounds, and parades the mutilated bodies of Israelis through the streets — and yet, somehow, the outrage always lands on Israel.

Equating Israelis defending their families with Hamas murderers isn’t moral clarity — it’s moral corruption, dressed up as virtue.You're a hypocrite.

I think I said, but if you didn’t understand let me be clear, that Hamas were very definitely NOT “the goodies”. Most people are aware of who and what they are. Just as most people can clearly see the Palestinians are in a wretched position and will need help to get on their feet. I think we can all take that as given. What seems missing is the understanding that the men and women returning from military service have played an active part in a slaughter that has shocked and sickened the world. Someone pressed the button or pointed the missile or the gun or drove the tank that killed tens of thousands, someone planned and executed a strategic that caused starvation and stopped access to medicine and shelter, someone tortured the people that were found and reported in the papers yesterday, 135 bodies came from somewhere. It’s not faux concern and it will have to be faced.

You keep repeating Hamas’s talking points as if they’re verified facts. The so-called report of “135 mutilated bodies” comes from Hamas officials — the same organization that staged, filmed, and glorified the slaughter of Israeli civilians on 7 October and is now executing their own civillians in the street. Quoting Hamas as a credible source on human rights is like quoting ISIS on humanitarian law. I mean, come on.

You’re condemning young Israelis on the basis of unverified claims made by a terrorist group still holding hostage bodies, still firing rockets, and still openly vowing to repeat 7 October “again and again.” Nice.

You’re right about one thing — Hamas are absolutely not “the goodies.” But everything else you just said shows how skewed and morally confused this conversation has become. You talk about Israeli soldiers “pressing buttons” or “pointing guns” as if they woke up one morning and decided to go on a killing spree, ignoring the simple fact that this war began with a massacre and many Israeli soldiers have themselves been killed SINCE 7/10. Sadly, this is what war looks like and war is brutal and, indeed, those participating in war, whether British in Iraq and Afghanistan or Israelis in Gaza, certainly need mental health supprort to deal with their experiences. Even more traumatic for these young Israelis and is taht over 1,200 Israelis (and others of course like Thais, Nepalis and fellow Palestinians) were slaughtered in a single day — raped, burned, mutilated, and kidnapped — while the world filmed it, debated it, and then somehow decided to moralize at Israel for responding.

The IDF didn’t invade Gaza for sport; it went in because Hamas built an entire war machine on the backs of its own civilians.

Don’t be silly. The protests are obviously for the attention of the UK Government.
Many people object to their country’s involvement against their wishes.

Oh right. Is that what they meant when screaming
"Khaybar, khaybar ya yahud...." at the rallies?

Guess they (correctly) thought the useful idiots would interpret that as
'Kindly change UK government policy '

Unfortunately the IDF, members of the government and individual soldiers have committed war crimes.

Neither "they started it" nor "I was following orders" is a defence.

Yes, im sure individual soldiers have as have soldiers in every conflict including many British soldiers in each.and every conflict they have been involved in and those individuals should be held accountable. That was never disputed.

Yes, im sure individual soldiers have as have soldiers in every conflict including many British soldiers in each.and every conflict they have been involved in and those individuals should be held accountable. That was never disputed.

Don't you think at least more scrutiny of our monarchy is a worthy cause given the revelations about the extent of Andrew and Sarah's wrongdoing & the tolerance of it?

Yes, we have relatively little influence over our monarchy, but that is completely wrong, and should be changed. And it's an issue that does directly concern our country.

Don't you think there are valid reasons to be concerned about digital ID?

Does Taiwan's energy use mean they don't deserve independence?

And if China control them, does that necessarily mean they'll use less energy? I doubt that.

Lots of Reform voters hate digital ID, among others. I don't know why it keeps being cited as a woke omnicause thing.

Why don't they protest about something that affects British people? They might get a lot more support and sympathy? Protest against the TV licence or against tax rises. Or against the wrong criminals being freed from prisons.

You do realise that most of the people arrested protesting for Palestine Action were over-60?

It’s hard to imagine these days. Who’d have thought, we’d ever be in the position whereby there’s a ‘cause’ telling us men are women. Where we would get cancelled for saying men can’t be women. Luckily it’s over now (in the uk). But on that basis who knows what’s next.

Digital ID? Well that’d be a worthwhile one. We shouldn’t have mandatory digital id and should all refuse to have it foisted upon us. Our own personal data is worth millions to others and we should keep it to ourselves. They can’t arrest all of us.

Presumably they felt that we shouldn't just care about British causes?

But I agree most people have enough to worry about here right now- and Hamas supporters basically ruined what could have been a legitimate protest urging humane treatment of civilians.

Trans people are often in vulnerable and mentally unhealthy states. There should be a movement to help.

It's very hard though when the majority wany atrocious things like access to women's spaces and the wider movement is crazy. But it's wrong to say they don't need help. They're getting the wrong kind.

Tbf that's the case for a lot of MN..on Sudan threads I've seen a lot of posts saying they have compassion fatigue because of decades of terrible news from Africa. The fact many migrants coming in small boats, including criminals, are from Africa, probably exacerbates that

Ironically global village style news often makes us less compassionate.

This. Though I do think Hamas are worse. Likud has some evil people though.

They don't sound very helpful, to say the least.

But why be friends with someone you clearly look down on (with justification, it sounds)?