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The venue told me off twice now on front of guests AIBU?

297 replies

StressedPartyFail · 16/10/2025 11:45

There is a venue near my house that we visit regularly. They also host children’s parties in a room upstairs. My child really likes it here and wanted her birthday. No issue. I got a leaflet and said 10 children minimum, I booked and decided to invite 13, to make sure we hit the target room booking number in case a couple couldn’t come.
anyway, went to a different event there and spoke to the owner, (it’s owned by an older woman and her adult daughter, I was speaking to the adult daughter during all interactions so far). She mentioned that due to room size it was best that only
children came and had to be dropped off. The children attending are age 4-5 so I said it wouldn’t be appropriate and that parents would be staying. She said, “I totally understand. I have kids too”. No issue. Ned time I came in the same conversation was repeated.

fast forward to party day, it was on a weekend therefore it was 2 members of staff I had never met. Went up to party room and everyone invited had turned up. It was a slight squeeze but no drama, everyone had a great time. 10
mins in a member of staff working there came up and said loudly
in front of guests, “this is a fire hazard there are too many people in here. We can’t get in to do our job properly”. I asked to speak to her out of the room and away from the guests as it was quite embarrassing! She said she had to ring manager (adult daughter owner). I went back to the party room and a dad awkwardly said he could leave but his daughter would have to come if there were issues. I’m not sure how many others clocked on to this situation. Manager rang and asked to speak to me, she said on the phone that it was more people than recommended but if I was willing to help evacuate during a fire it was fine. All ok. Other weekend member of staff very apologetic but had made things awkward. Dad who offered to leave called her dramatic so he realised her tone. I felt on edge for the rest of the party but everyone seemed to have a great time.

A week later, (this morning) I bobbed in seeing a friend in the window. She had brought her other daughter after the one invited to my party had such a great time. the older woman (other owner) I never met was there, I untraced myself and she told me “OH ARE YOU THE PARTY LADY” and went on to tell me it was horrendous and a fire hazard and too many people were in the room. She said her staff were traumatised with stress and had to be paid extra due to this and the fact they had to stay and clear up after us (where actually I ended up happily hosting the party and completely cleared up. Plus took everything downstairs and boxed things which they would usually have to do). I tried to keep her voice down as the lady behind attended the party and it was awkward. I’ve gone home quite frazzled and stressed. This is somewhere we love
to go. We made it clear on numbers from the start and they were happy
to take our money and book in. What do I do from here? Offer to pay the staff? I’m worried to book again and we really enjoy it here. Thanks in advance x

OP posts:
opencecilgee · 18/10/2025 08:40

Why didn’t you book a larger space?

so it’s a room that holds 10-15 but you had 20-25 people?

busymomtoone · 18/10/2025 09:03

I’m sorry you’ve been treated so badly both by what sounds like a ridiculously unprofessional venue , and also by some of the dismissive comments made on here. I haven’t read every response - but they were very clearly in the wrong by failing to state a maximum , and despite the fact you’d already warned parents would be staying , placing the minimum party number so near the maximum that it obviously only works for older children/ those not needing carers etc. You were not advised of any of this - I can only think they were worried there would be some sort of inspection on that day so they suddenly became aware of the regs. Venue is blaming you for their extremely basic but illegal error. Frankly I’d be asking for an apology or threatening to name and shame on any review sites - you simply do not treat customers like that !

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 18/10/2025 09:23

opencecilgee · 18/10/2025 08:40

Why didn’t you book a larger space?

so it’s a room that holds 10-15 but you had 20-25 people?

At no point has it been said that the room holds 10 to 15 people, you’ve just made that up. The minimum requirement to book the room is 10 people participating in the party. There is no maximum stated anywhere. OP had 13 children participating in the party. 13 is hardly a massive amount more than 10. Of course younger children will need a parent to stay with them, and the venue were well aware that this would be happening and at no point said that they would not be able to accommodate this many people.

Snakebite61 · 18/10/2025 09:28

StressedPartyFail · 16/10/2025 11:48

My spelling and grammar is shocking in this, typing one handed rocking my baby to sleep sorry!!!
*next
*introduced myself

There are certain ways to go about things. They chose the wrong way. Think nothing of it and don't use them again.

PGmicstand · 18/10/2025 11:47

Firedrink · 16/10/2025 17:09

A bit of a squeeze is a completely unprofessional response.
They either can cater for the booking our not.
Health and safety is not optional.
They sound extremely unprofessional.

You have every right to be annoyed at being lectured to.
They took the booking.
They shouldn't have taken it if it is a drop your children place only.

You have every right to write that on their page.
They sound like they don't know their arse from their elbow.
Hard swerve.

I completely agree.
If they have a maximum capacity for H&S/fire regs (which is perfectly acceptable) then they need to say so.

Communication with potential customers needs to be crystal clear. Not 'a bit of squeeze' or 'maybe'. Not everyone is neurotypical and not everyone would take that to mean "can you cut your numbers down?"

OP was clear that this was a group of young children who couldn't be left without parents. The onus on complying with regulations is on the owner and she should have explained properly.

whattheysay · 18/10/2025 11:54

Lefthandedkitty · 16/10/2025 12:09

Fire regs and insurance were compromised.
She would have been wiped out if someone had been injured or died if there'd been an incident.
Did every child have an adult with them? So there were 13 kids, plus yours, plus 14 adults in a room insured as suitable for (say) 20 people?
Not surprising she was upset.

If they were that upset they should have made it clear when twice discussing the number of people that it would not be acceptable.
Also if it’s that upsetting it should be made very clear on advertising and the booking forms that only a certain number of people are permitted in the room.
They need better procedures for their own fire regulations

TheEdgyJoker · 18/10/2025 13:02

ComtesseDeSpair · 16/10/2025 11:51

I’m not surprised they were annoyed with you: for fire safety reasons the room has a maximum capacity, you over-invited and thus it was above capacity. You feeling uncomfortable about having to have this explained to you doesn’t mean that they were wrong to do so.

If you want to keep going to the venue then just accept you shouldn’t have over-invited and wait for it to blow over and it all get forgotten, which it will be.

Edited

It was advertised minimum 10 ,13 were invited .
Most parents don't just drop the children and leave , that is usually the exception.
The venue has advertised the wrong the way I read it .
The op should just move on and not give it a second thought

WorkItUpYourBangle · 18/10/2025 13:04

They seem to be one way to your face then another when you call them out. I'd be like you, I'd want to know exactly what the problem was. They expected you to leave all those 5 year olds and the parents to go. Which is nonsense because 5 year olds are still liable to wander off without anyone noticing. Some parents could have been asked to maybe go downstairs and have a coffee or something though. If they tout minimum 10, they should be able to accommodate a LOT more. So you are not at fault at all. Even if you were told it'd be a squeeze, it should NOT have been because their venue should have allowed for 5 year olds parents as well. It's all their fault.
I'd want to know exactly why she had to pay the staff extra and what mess she was talking about. I wouldn't be letting her get away with putting the blame on me here or lying about paying extra for mess that didn't exist. It would eat the arse of me completely until I'd put it right or made sure they admitted to being at fault. I can't abide by being treated poorly when I didn't do anything wrong. Grew up being blamed for things all the time so can't stand it.

WorkItUpYourBangle · 18/10/2025 13:10

opencecilgee · 18/10/2025 08:40

Why didn’t you book a larger space?

so it’s a room that holds 10-15 but you had 20-25 people?

No, literally none of that happened. You just pulled that out of your arse. Learn to read before you post.

HevenlyMeS · 18/10/2025 14:26

Yes they advertised wrongly & behaved unprofessionally
I know you're right regarding not giving it a 2nd thought, because they don't deserve to remove her serenity
& I'd also find it immensely difficult to not think about it, because the shame the woman tried to bring upon original commenter, caused her so much embarrassment
It takes time to get over humiliations
đź’š

Bluedenimdoglover · 18/10/2025 17:46

Forget it. Not your fault. Just go elsewhere for children's parties in future.

Lurkingonmn · 18/10/2025 18:17

Marelli · 17/10/2025 21:45

Omg... What is it with the people that comment on these posts, why do people add in elememts to someones post, that are not there, or is it that people do not read them properly.
Why is the OP repeatedly having to read along the lines of "I'm not surprised they were annoyed you went against their policy"
SHE DID NOT GO AGAINST ANY POLICY.
Where does she say that they told her before the event that it was to many people & she decided to rebel & go against it?
Should such a policy exist, knowing after the fact, is not going against the policy, she would need knowledge prior to the event being booked & it should be on the small print, that is signed & agreed to.

Then daughter owner, says it's ok or is she wishes they sell the kits for her to go elsewhere? AND THAT IS SOMEHOW THE OPs FAULT, the OP should have taken that as her prompt of we don't want you to have the party HERE?... NO, How ridiculous!
A proffesional business owner does not "subtly hint" a proffesional business owner should simply explain their policies as they are, that they aren't insured for those numbers due to it being a fire risk, so they can not host for those numbers. Any person that feels that they have to read between the lines of what an owner is meaning, or feels they need to pick up on subtle hints, well that's a cue to go elsewhere with your business, because that is concerning & is not how a proffesional business should be run at all, especially at something that could be a risk of loss of life.

Then what's with all the crap because she saw that a message had been read, so every one of you on WhatsApp, messenger & all the other similar platforms are all set to never show when you are online, so you can't see if the other person has received & read your message, do you close your eyes so you can't see when the ticks turn blue, Or is it just in this type of situation that it's not right/odd, that a person has a notification of when a message has been seen by the recipient?

For the OP, now....
I think many will think the same as you, when booking a place for a party that if the venue can only hold such a small amount of people that it would specify the amount, particularly when it's where very young children would have parties & as is often the case in the younger years, a parent will usually remain on site.
The owners in this case have acted unprofessional on multiple levels. First not having clear terms & conditions, this they need advising to put in place, next is a problem with the owners not communicating with each other & their staff. The staff working these, should know before the event the numbers, this is part of the planning on what they are expected to do on the day, the daughter should have relayed this to her mum & the working staff. It is highly unprofessional to speak to you in front of any of the children or parents, they should have asked quietly to have a word, at this point it is a little to late down the line for them to declare there are to many people, that would put you in one hell of a position, emotionally & morally. Would you say to them, you knew the numbers & went ahead with the booking so I'm doing nothing or do you start telling parents they have to leave, risking them taking their children & then there is no one left at the party, so many tears. Also it would seem there is some type of culture around dishonesty in this small family business, someone somewhere, is intentionally lying, be it the staff making out how traumatised they were & how hard it was for them to do their jobs, because it was crowded, when it was infact youreslf that coordinated & cleared up, or the owner herself is just saying these things to add some sort of clout to her statement to you. Personally if my employees in a place that is meant for children got traumatised over a room being snug, then I'd be telling them they might want to work in a different industry because where there is kids, there is injury, small & big, kid arguments, parent arguments, toilet explosions, kids being sick, the list of trauma is endless ;)

What I do want to tell you though is please dont get embarrassed about things like this. Reading this it comes across that you may be quite a sensitive person, that maybe you don't like/avoid confrontation, I expect you over think quite a lot - I'd take a bet there is something that happened five years ago that most would not even give a second thought but you still think back to it, maybe still makes you a little anxious when you think about it, like knocking a cup of tea over someone in a cafe, or someone misunderstanding something you said, that upset/angered them & yet you still feel somehow it's something you did wrong, or you're still embarrassed about falling over in front of the group of strangers at the bus stop.
Not one person would have thought anything about what they said to you, in the way you think, the friend you saw there that day, when you was told again, would not have thought anything of it, had you spoke up. That would have been the ideal time to speak up, it's important you voice confidently what you was told, that it was a lie them struggling to work because you did it yourself.
Myself I would said all of that & I would have asked to see a copy of the public liability insurance, and their fire risk assessment (the documented occupancy limit if broken impacts the insurance validity) stating that either A. They have lied & the maximum number of guests was not exceeded, or B. They took a booking knowing it would exceed this number & were willing to put people at risk to make money, either way this is their failure as a business & not the customers. You could probably work out a rough estimate as to what their capacity is, should you wish.

Many probably like myself would have been very confident speaking out immediately, making it very clear where their faults lay & our feelings on it & then wouldn't give it another thought after that day. It's easy to say just forget, it's using up to much of your head space, but no one is you, so deal with it in the way that makes you feel ok with it, hopefully you can just forget about it, hopefully it will be that it loses steam & you can revisit there any time & not feel awkward or uncomfortable.

I completely agree with this. Maybe OP could take some words or phrasing from this if the business owners reply? I don't think OP is in the wrong for the booking, failing to apparently decipher the hidden message in the owners takeaway kit comment etc. Perhaps advise the owners that a maximum capacity no could maybe be shared in future party bookings to avoid this issue in the future. Also a good learning curve for any future party bookings you make to check maximum capacity numbers.

NattyRedFinch · 18/10/2025 18:29

They sound utterly incompetent and ridiculous. It would totally put me off ever going back.

Phelicity · 18/10/2025 20:29

You did absolutely nothing wrong, you explained your requirements in advance, you cleared up afterwards, and into the bargain you had to endure a lecture in front of other parents, and then another one in front of friends on another visit.

Totally unacceptable, as is the implication that you upset staff etc. Someone is trying it on.

My advice is to forget it completely, and if you decide to go there again, hold your head high and don’t accept any nonsense.

StressedPartyFail · 18/10/2025 20:31

Thankyou everyone for your input. I messaged about but was polite and said I took on their point and explained mine using some of the points from this thread.
her reply,

”I do understand, I have 2 children and have hosted many parties. Hope to see you around”

so I guess that is that. It felt like she didn’t seriously take on any of my points but that’s life!

OP posts:
Cdu · 18/10/2025 20:39

ComtesseDeSpair · 16/10/2025 11:51

I’m not surprised they were annoyed with you: for fire safety reasons the room has a maximum capacity, you over-invited and thus it was above capacity. You feeling uncomfortable about having to have this explained to you doesn’t mean that they were wrong to do so.

If you want to keep going to the venue then just accept you shouldn’t have over-invited and wait for it to blow over and it all get forgotten, which it will be.

Edited

The original post said the venue was minimum 10 kids

Livingthebestlife · 18/10/2025 21:28

When did you book it ?

Americano75 · 18/10/2025 21:41

'Hope to see you around'?

Fat chance if it was me.

Lockdownsceptic · 19/10/2025 01:45

Who were these people? Were they volunteers or professionals? If this was a business then it sounds like a very poor one that doesn’t give enough guidance or explain the conditions of booking. Don’t give them any more money, bookings or recommendations.
And who these days expects parents to drop off their 4 year olds and come back for them later. Of course parents want to stay.

lilkitten · 21/10/2025 11:41

It's totally on them. They should have mentioned the maximum capacity, and said that is bodies (adults & children) not party invitees. In one post you said they said "groups of 10" - they may have meant minimum total bodies, but they should have stipulated. I've tweaked my terms and conditions many times as you realise that your wording isn't clear, and rather than the venue being angry they should accept and realise that they were in the wrong. Ultimately I wouldn't visit them again.

Gossipisgood · 29/10/2025 15:55

I'd send an email to the Owner & her Daughter outlining that while you had a lovely party & everyone enjoyed themselves, you didn't appreciate the staff pulling you up in front of everyone & you felt embarrassed. Remind them that you had spoke with the Daughter & explained that the parents of the little ones would be staying & that you had agreed to help evacuate in an emergency. Let her know that you had tidied the room, leaving minimum for the staff to do & that you don't understand why they have been overpaid if they didn't do anything extra than what they should have been doing all along. Going forward, if you decide to book with them again agree everything in an email so you can revert back to it as proof of what was discussed at booking if needed.

BambinaCucina · 31/10/2025 12:04

I would leave an honest review online and then find somewhere else to go.

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