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The venue told me off twice now on front of guests AIBU?

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StressedPartyFail · 16/10/2025 11:45

There is a venue near my house that we visit regularly. They also host children’s parties in a room upstairs. My child really likes it here and wanted her birthday. No issue. I got a leaflet and said 10 children minimum, I booked and decided to invite 13, to make sure we hit the target room booking number in case a couple couldn’t come.
anyway, went to a different event there and spoke to the owner, (it’s owned by an older woman and her adult daughter, I was speaking to the adult daughter during all interactions so far). She mentioned that due to room size it was best that only
children came and had to be dropped off. The children attending are age 4-5 so I said it wouldn’t be appropriate and that parents would be staying. She said, “I totally understand. I have kids too”. No issue. Ned time I came in the same conversation was repeated.

fast forward to party day, it was on a weekend therefore it was 2 members of staff I had never met. Went up to party room and everyone invited had turned up. It was a slight squeeze but no drama, everyone had a great time. 10
mins in a member of staff working there came up and said loudly
in front of guests, “this is a fire hazard there are too many people in here. We can’t get in to do our job properly”. I asked to speak to her out of the room and away from the guests as it was quite embarrassing! She said she had to ring manager (adult daughter owner). I went back to the party room and a dad awkwardly said he could leave but his daughter would have to come if there were issues. I’m not sure how many others clocked on to this situation. Manager rang and asked to speak to me, she said on the phone that it was more people than recommended but if I was willing to help evacuate during a fire it was fine. All ok. Other weekend member of staff very apologetic but had made things awkward. Dad who offered to leave called her dramatic so he realised her tone. I felt on edge for the rest of the party but everyone seemed to have a great time.

A week later, (this morning) I bobbed in seeing a friend in the window. She had brought her other daughter after the one invited to my party had such a great time. the older woman (other owner) I never met was there, I untraced myself and she told me “OH ARE YOU THE PARTY LADY” and went on to tell me it was horrendous and a fire hazard and too many people were in the room. She said her staff were traumatised with stress and had to be paid extra due to this and the fact they had to stay and clear up after us (where actually I ended up happily hosting the party and completely cleared up. Plus took everything downstairs and boxed things which they would usually have to do). I tried to keep her voice down as the lady behind attended the party and it was awkward. I’ve gone home quite frazzled and stressed. This is somewhere we love
to go. We made it clear on numbers from the start and they were happy
to take our money and book in. What do I do from here? Offer to pay the staff? I’m worried to book again and we really enjoy it here. Thanks in advance x

OP posts:
DibDob22 · 17/10/2025 20:16

Surely if it's a minimum of 10 then you could have invited way more. 10 kids and 10 parents who are there to supervise and support should make it easier for the staff I would have thought.

Isinglass20 · 17/10/2025 20:25

Stressedparttfail

As I understand that if there are fewer than 10 then you can’t make a booking.

So you quote from Instagram advertisement and not from a booking form.

So I assume you have no actual proof or receipt for the number of bookings for which you made a payment, and that included payment for all adults and children.

If you have no actual receipt then I’d be concerned that no financial records are being kept in addition to no list of people in the building at any one time.

I wouldn’t be going again because if there is a fire or other incident then fire service will not know if they have rescued everyone.

There may be also apparatus which does not meet safety standards and also staff not trained in event of fire.

OP should report the venue to the Fire Service.

Spinmerightroundbaby · 17/10/2025 20:27

Wisterical · 16/10/2025 11:49

Don't give it another moment's thought, it's just something that happened, it's over now, move on.

Agreed. Sorry to hear you had this experience. It sounds like it cast a shadow over the event. Just draw a line now and move on. There’s nothing further for you to do.

oneofthose · 17/10/2025 20:40

StressedPartyFail · 16/10/2025 17:08

I know my daughter and lots of her 5 year old friends love it there. When booking the enquiry was titled “5 year old party” so they were aware when booking and were aware throughout parents would be attending.

Could you message me the name of the venue please? It sounds remarkably similar to a place I’ve booked for my child’s party soon!

RawBloomers · 17/10/2025 20:40

BigFatBully · 17/10/2025 19:47

After what happened with Grenfell, all businesses should have a strict adherence to the legislation and an effective procedure in place to implement the rules.

Before Grenfell they should as well. But they didn't. And they still don't.

RawBloomers · 17/10/2025 20:44

HandmadeNanna · 17/10/2025 20:06

You said you were told there was a minimum number for the booking, but we're you given a maximum?
Just asking.

Is this a "cancel the cheque" comment? Or serious?

whatcanthematterbe81 · 17/10/2025 20:47

Crikey this venue must be tiny, why are they even offering parties. Ridiculous

Bedtimeread · 17/10/2025 21:18

Have you explained to her all you did and that the staff didn’t assist and don’t need to be compensated? It sounds like the staff have caused this to be bigger than needed. She wasn’t clear on maximum numbers, that’s on her. No need for it to drag on.

HandmadeNanna · 17/10/2025 21:37

RawBloomers · 17/10/2025 20:44

Is this a "cancel the cheque" comment? Or serious?

You were told minimum of 10 for the party. Were you told the maximum number of people allowed in the room at time of booking?
I know it's probably irrelevant now as the party has been and gone but if you weren't given a maximum and as you had actually explained parents would be staying, then you aren't at fault.
It was wrong to approach you on the later occasion. Any issues from the venue should have been addressed privately.

RawBloomers · 17/10/2025 21:40

HandmadeNanna · 17/10/2025 21:37

You were told minimum of 10 for the party. Were you told the maximum number of people allowed in the room at time of booking?
I know it's probably irrelevant now as the party has been and gone but if you weren't given a maximum and as you had actually explained parents would be staying, then you aren't at fault.
It was wrong to approach you on the later occasion. Any issues from the venue should have been addressed privately.

For fucks sake, read the thread. The OP (not me!) has already answered this question several times.

HandmadeNanna · 17/10/2025 21:42

RawBloomers · 17/10/2025 21:40

For fucks sake, read the thread. The OP (not me!) has already answered this question several times.

Thank you for your kind words but I was responding to a direct, question to which I gave a polite answer.

Marelli · 17/10/2025 21:45

Omg... What is it with the people that comment on these posts, why do people add in elememts to someones post, that are not there, or is it that people do not read them properly.
Why is the OP repeatedly having to read along the lines of "I'm not surprised they were annoyed you went against their policy"
SHE DID NOT GO AGAINST ANY POLICY.
Where does she say that they told her before the event that it was to many people & she decided to rebel & go against it?
Should such a policy exist, knowing after the fact, is not going against the policy, she would need knowledge prior to the event being booked & it should be on the small print, that is signed & agreed to.

Then daughter owner, says it's ok or is she wishes they sell the kits for her to go elsewhere? AND THAT IS SOMEHOW THE OPs FAULT, the OP should have taken that as her prompt of we don't want you to have the party HERE?... NO, How ridiculous!
A proffesional business owner does not "subtly hint" a proffesional business owner should simply explain their policies as they are, that they aren't insured for those numbers due to it being a fire risk, so they can not host for those numbers. Any person that feels that they have to read between the lines of what an owner is meaning, or feels they need to pick up on subtle hints, well that's a cue to go elsewhere with your business, because that is concerning & is not how a proffesional business should be run at all, especially at something that could be a risk of loss of life.

Then what's with all the crap because she saw that a message had been read, so every one of you on WhatsApp, messenger & all the other similar platforms are all set to never show when you are online, so you can't see if the other person has received & read your message, do you close your eyes so you can't see when the ticks turn blue, Or is it just in this type of situation that it's not right/odd, that a person has a notification of when a message has been seen by the recipient?

For the OP, now....
I think many will think the same as you, when booking a place for a party that if the venue can only hold such a small amount of people that it would specify the amount, particularly when it's where very young children would have parties & as is often the case in the younger years, a parent will usually remain on site.
The owners in this case have acted unprofessional on multiple levels. First not having clear terms & conditions, this they need advising to put in place, next is a problem with the owners not communicating with each other & their staff. The staff working these, should know before the event the numbers, this is part of the planning on what they are expected to do on the day, the daughter should have relayed this to her mum & the working staff. It is highly unprofessional to speak to you in front of any of the children or parents, they should have asked quietly to have a word, at this point it is a little to late down the line for them to declare there are to many people, that would put you in one hell of a position, emotionally & morally. Would you say to them, you knew the numbers & went ahead with the booking so I'm doing nothing or do you start telling parents they have to leave, risking them taking their children & then there is no one left at the party, so many tears. Also it would seem there is some type of culture around dishonesty in this small family business, someone somewhere, is intentionally lying, be it the staff making out how traumatised they were & how hard it was for them to do their jobs, because it was crowded, when it was infact youreslf that coordinated & cleared up, or the owner herself is just saying these things to add some sort of clout to her statement to you. Personally if my employees in a place that is meant for children got traumatised over a room being snug, then I'd be telling them they might want to work in a different industry because where there is kids, there is injury, small & big, kid arguments, parent arguments, toilet explosions, kids being sick, the list of trauma is endless ;)

What I do want to tell you though is please dont get embarrassed about things like this. Reading this it comes across that you may be quite a sensitive person, that maybe you don't like/avoid confrontation, I expect you over think quite a lot - I'd take a bet there is something that happened five years ago that most would not even give a second thought but you still think back to it, maybe still makes you a little anxious when you think about it, like knocking a cup of tea over someone in a cafe, or someone misunderstanding something you said, that upset/angered them & yet you still feel somehow it's something you did wrong, or you're still embarrassed about falling over in front of the group of strangers at the bus stop.
Not one person would have thought anything about what they said to you, in the way you think, the friend you saw there that day, when you was told again, would not have thought anything of it, had you spoke up. That would have been the ideal time to speak up, it's important you voice confidently what you was told, that it was a lie them struggling to work because you did it yourself.
Myself I would said all of that & I would have asked to see a copy of the public liability insurance, and their fire risk assessment (the documented occupancy limit if broken impacts the insurance validity) stating that either A. They have lied & the maximum number of guests was not exceeded, or B. They took a booking knowing it would exceed this number & were willing to put people at risk to make money, either way this is their failure as a business & not the customers. You could probably work out a rough estimate as to what their capacity is, should you wish.

Many probably like myself would have been very confident speaking out immediately, making it very clear where their faults lay & our feelings on it & then wouldn't give it another thought after that day. It's easy to say just forget, it's using up to much of your head space, but no one is you, so deal with it in the way that makes you feel ok with it, hopefully you can just forget about it, hopefully it will be that it loses steam & you can revisit there any time & not feel awkward or uncomfortable.

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 17/10/2025 21:48

This is totally on them. They were not clear about the capacity, and expected you to figure it out, and then blamed you when you didn’t. They’re running a business, they should do better.

RawBloomers · 17/10/2025 21:49

HandmadeNanna · 17/10/2025 21:42

Thank you for your kind words but I was responding to a direct, question to which I gave a polite answer.

Your original post was not polite. It was lazy. OP has already answered your question. You waded into a thread with a couple of hundred posts, didn't bother to skim the conversation so far and totally ignored what the OP had already said. Not polite at all.

Laurmolonlabe · 17/10/2025 21:52

I think you need to find a different venue.

RaspberryYoghurtMeatPotatoPie · 17/10/2025 22:32

Drama queen.

StressedPartyFail · 17/10/2025 22:36

RaspberryYoghurtMeatPotatoPie · 17/10/2025 22:32

Drama queen.

😂😂😂😂

OP posts:
StressedPartyFail · 17/10/2025 22:36

Marelli · 17/10/2025 21:45

Omg... What is it with the people that comment on these posts, why do people add in elememts to someones post, that are not there, or is it that people do not read them properly.
Why is the OP repeatedly having to read along the lines of "I'm not surprised they were annoyed you went against their policy"
SHE DID NOT GO AGAINST ANY POLICY.
Where does she say that they told her before the event that it was to many people & she decided to rebel & go against it?
Should such a policy exist, knowing after the fact, is not going against the policy, she would need knowledge prior to the event being booked & it should be on the small print, that is signed & agreed to.

Then daughter owner, says it's ok or is she wishes they sell the kits for her to go elsewhere? AND THAT IS SOMEHOW THE OPs FAULT, the OP should have taken that as her prompt of we don't want you to have the party HERE?... NO, How ridiculous!
A proffesional business owner does not "subtly hint" a proffesional business owner should simply explain their policies as they are, that they aren't insured for those numbers due to it being a fire risk, so they can not host for those numbers. Any person that feels that they have to read between the lines of what an owner is meaning, or feels they need to pick up on subtle hints, well that's a cue to go elsewhere with your business, because that is concerning & is not how a proffesional business should be run at all, especially at something that could be a risk of loss of life.

Then what's with all the crap because she saw that a message had been read, so every one of you on WhatsApp, messenger & all the other similar platforms are all set to never show when you are online, so you can't see if the other person has received & read your message, do you close your eyes so you can't see when the ticks turn blue, Or is it just in this type of situation that it's not right/odd, that a person has a notification of when a message has been seen by the recipient?

For the OP, now....
I think many will think the same as you, when booking a place for a party that if the venue can only hold such a small amount of people that it would specify the amount, particularly when it's where very young children would have parties & as is often the case in the younger years, a parent will usually remain on site.
The owners in this case have acted unprofessional on multiple levels. First not having clear terms & conditions, this they need advising to put in place, next is a problem with the owners not communicating with each other & their staff. The staff working these, should know before the event the numbers, this is part of the planning on what they are expected to do on the day, the daughter should have relayed this to her mum & the working staff. It is highly unprofessional to speak to you in front of any of the children or parents, they should have asked quietly to have a word, at this point it is a little to late down the line for them to declare there are to many people, that would put you in one hell of a position, emotionally & morally. Would you say to them, you knew the numbers & went ahead with the booking so I'm doing nothing or do you start telling parents they have to leave, risking them taking their children & then there is no one left at the party, so many tears. Also it would seem there is some type of culture around dishonesty in this small family business, someone somewhere, is intentionally lying, be it the staff making out how traumatised they were & how hard it was for them to do their jobs, because it was crowded, when it was infact youreslf that coordinated & cleared up, or the owner herself is just saying these things to add some sort of clout to her statement to you. Personally if my employees in a place that is meant for children got traumatised over a room being snug, then I'd be telling them they might want to work in a different industry because where there is kids, there is injury, small & big, kid arguments, parent arguments, toilet explosions, kids being sick, the list of trauma is endless ;)

What I do want to tell you though is please dont get embarrassed about things like this. Reading this it comes across that you may be quite a sensitive person, that maybe you don't like/avoid confrontation, I expect you over think quite a lot - I'd take a bet there is something that happened five years ago that most would not even give a second thought but you still think back to it, maybe still makes you a little anxious when you think about it, like knocking a cup of tea over someone in a cafe, or someone misunderstanding something you said, that upset/angered them & yet you still feel somehow it's something you did wrong, or you're still embarrassed about falling over in front of the group of strangers at the bus stop.
Not one person would have thought anything about what they said to you, in the way you think, the friend you saw there that day, when you was told again, would not have thought anything of it, had you spoke up. That would have been the ideal time to speak up, it's important you voice confidently what you was told, that it was a lie them struggling to work because you did it yourself.
Myself I would said all of that & I would have asked to see a copy of the public liability insurance, and their fire risk assessment (the documented occupancy limit if broken impacts the insurance validity) stating that either A. They have lied & the maximum number of guests was not exceeded, or B. They took a booking knowing it would exceed this number & were willing to put people at risk to make money, either way this is their failure as a business & not the customers. You could probably work out a rough estimate as to what their capacity is, should you wish.

Many probably like myself would have been very confident speaking out immediately, making it very clear where their faults lay & our feelings on it & then wouldn't give it another thought after that day. It's easy to say just forget, it's using up to much of your head space, but no one is you, so deal with it in the way that makes you feel ok with it, hopefully you can just forget about it, hopefully it will be that it loses steam & you can revisit there any time & not feel awkward or uncomfortable.

Thankyou so much for this lovely reply 🩷

OP posts:
NewHat · 17/10/2025 22:43

RawBloomers · 17/10/2025 21:49

Your original post was not polite. It was lazy. OP has already answered your question. You waded into a thread with a couple of hundred posts, didn't bother to skim the conversation so far and totally ignored what the OP had already said. Not polite at all.

At least she quoted the entire long opening post first. Grin

FormidableMizzP · 18/10/2025 00:29

Octonaut4Life · 16/10/2025 11:52

Of course you don't need to pay, I'd be emailing them on writing to complain about the treatment, tell them they need to make requirements around numbers clearer when booking and ask them to be more professional when dealing with it. It's on them if they're not sufficiently clear in advance.

Forget a private email - they don't deserve that, they've both been extremely rude!
They accepted the booking and failed to stipulate numbers etc. Fire hazard blah blah is their insurance and their problem. So quite frankly, if they raise it to you loudly and verbally in person again, be ready to loudly and verbally reply with that and never give it a 2nd thought. And find somewhere else to spend your money.

TheCheekyCyanHelper · 18/10/2025 04:38

ComtesseDeSpair · 16/10/2025 11:51

I’m not surprised they were annoyed with you: for fire safety reasons the room has a maximum capacity, you over-invited and thus it was above capacity. You feeling uncomfortable about having to have this explained to you doesn’t mean that they were wrong to do so.

If you want to keep going to the venue then just accept you shouldn’t have over-invited and wait for it to blow over and it all get forgotten, which it will be.

Edited

What are you talking about. The minimum was 10, they invited 13.

Rumpledandcrumpled · 18/10/2025 06:35

TheCheekyCyanHelper · 18/10/2025 04:38

What are you talking about. The minimum was 10, they invited 13.

That’s not right, she invited 13 children, and their parents, so likely min 25 as she said two kids were siblings.

Buffypaws · 18/10/2025 08:05

Rumpledandcrumpled · 18/10/2025 06:35

That’s not right, she invited 13 children, and their parents, so likely min 25 as she said two kids were siblings.

What’s your point? The minimum was correctly exceeded and to this day no maximum has been stated.

ParkMaiden · 18/10/2025 08:17

ReceiveIt · 16/10/2025 12:02

I never understand why people post this. We need to talk over issues to air them out and get over them. However small and trivial it may seem to others, if it bothers the person it happened to they need to talk it out to move on.

This! That’s the whole point of starting a thread.

Laura95167 · 18/10/2025 08:23

So they have a minimum head count requirement of 10 children for their venue that is suitable for kids aged 5. Surely theyd expect an appropriate adult for each of the little ones?!? And theyd except more than 10 because 10 is the least amount you can have to book for a party?

I think they need to reevaluate their policy on capacity if 10 is the minimum and 13 causes a fire hazard.

Not a you problem