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Does anyone else feel like this about Gaza/Israel?

290 replies

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 10:19

I know it sounds awful, but I’m desperate for a break from Gaza. I feel like we’ve had 2 straight years of hearing about absolutely nothing else. It feels like you can’t switch the radio on, or open Facebook, or even pop to the shop without hearing chants of PALESTINE and having flags waved in your face. It’s been absolutely relentless, and wildly disproportionate compared to other conflicts and atrocities around the world.

Of course it’s hideous that so many civilians have been killed, in particular children. But it feels like Palestine truly believes it is the only population who suffered during the 1940s and is the only country to ever lose territory or be reshaped by global events. I feel like everyone else adjusted to their new normal, for the sake of peace, while Palestinians just continue what seems like an infinite grudge which is then met with harsher repressions by Israel as they have to defend themselves.

It’s utterly exhausting the globe and I have zero hope they will now smell the coffee and take the opportunity to kick Hamas out because ultimately they don’t want peace. Hamas did not drop out of the sky, they and Oct 7 had high support until they started losing, and I think it’s very unlikely they will ever be willing to move on from past events.

AIBU to think we now just need to leave them to it for the sake of all involved?

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Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:41

Barnbrack · 13/10/2025 12:40

Was Germany levelled and the extermination of all German citizens attempted to now allow a single child to grow to be a potential Nazi? Because yes, if that's how the allies had reacted they would I deed be to blame

Heard of Dresden?

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MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 13/10/2025 12:41

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:37

No, it’s chicken and egg. People are as obsessed as they are because of the coverage - because Palestinians and Hamas have been very focussed in social media campaigns, both those showing graphic slaughter but also slightly manipulated videos to cast doubt over everything that isn’t Hamas and their absolutist beliefs.

In a way you’ve given yourself away there. You should have ‘heard enough about Gaza’ through emotional fatigue and a desire for the war to end. It’s like the left have an insatiable appetite for self righteousness and Gaza provides a bottomless well - so in that sense, you’ll never have ‘had enough’ of it.

Utter nonsense.

I haven't "had enough" of hearing about Gaza because the conflict has not yet been resolved. Of course I want the fucking war to end. I just don't expect it to go away because I'm getting bored of hearing about it.

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:42

Barnbrack · 13/10/2025 12:39

Nor to the British armed forces who committed war crimes on northern Irish civilians during my own childhood. I had a patient recently who was a soldier in northern Ireland who when he heard my name shed an actual tear over the atrocities in my community that he and his comrades were forced to commit. Poor chap would only have been in his 20s and has yet to recover from what they were ordered to do in the 80s 45 years later.

Ok but let’s not make this about Ireland - I appreciate I used 1 comparator but this is not about Ireland

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Barnbrack · 13/10/2025 12:44

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:42

Ok but let’s not make this about Ireland - I appreciate I used 1 comparator but this is not about Ireland

So you can quote my history to prove your point? A history you clearly know piss all about but those of us who lived it can't tell you our side? Interesting. So do you have a list of viewpoints and atrocities you ARE happy to hear about?

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:44

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 13/10/2025 12:41

Utter nonsense.

I haven't "had enough" of hearing about Gaza because the conflict has not yet been resolved. Of course I want the fucking war to end. I just don't expect it to go away because I'm getting bored of hearing about it.

Hamas say it’s over.
Israel say it’s over.
Egypt say it’s over.
All other Muslim majority countries in the region say it’s over.

Corbyn and Mrs Bennett: ‘It’s not over!!! Watermelons’

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Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:45

Barnbrack · 13/10/2025 12:44

So you can quote my history to prove your point? A history you clearly know piss all about but those of us who lived it can't tell you our side? Interesting. So do you have a list of viewpoints and atrocities you ARE happy to hear about?

I will not be derailing the thread to talk about Ireland. Wish I’d never mentioned it

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nomas · 13/10/2025 12:45

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:37

No, it’s chicken and egg. People are as obsessed as they are because of the coverage - because Palestinians and Hamas have been very focussed in social media campaigns, both those showing graphic slaughter but also slightly manipulated videos to cast doubt over everything that isn’t Hamas and their absolutist beliefs.

In a way you’ve given yourself away there. You should have ‘heard enough about Gaza’ through emotional fatigue and a desire for the war to end. It’s like the left have an insatiable appetite for self righteousness and Gaza provides a bottomless well - so in that sense, you’ll never have ‘had enough’ of it.

Do you know how many official social media accounts Netanyahu and the IDF have?

And how many millions Israel has spent on YouTube ads?

The New York Times have reported on Israel creating fake social media accounts.

So the idea that it's Palestinians doing more social media is laughable.

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:46

nomas · 13/10/2025 12:45

Do you know how many official social media accounts Netanyahu and the IDF have?

And how many millions Israel has spent on YouTube ads?

The New York Times have reported on Israel creating fake social media accounts.

So the idea that it's Palestinians doing more social media is laughable.

Edited

I don’t follow the NYT or Israeli newspapers.

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nomas · 13/10/2025 12:46

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:45

I will not be derailing the thread to talk about Ireland. Wish I’d never mentioned it

What about all the 'look at Sudan' posts. That's derailment.

Barnbrack · 13/10/2025 12:46

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:41

Heard of Dresden?

Yep, 4000 bombs, 25000 dead, yep questionable morally. And similar is happening daily in Gaza and has done for 2 years at least. I'd hope if the allies had kept that up someone would have done something.

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:47

Barnbrack · 13/10/2025 12:46

Yep, 4000 bombs, 25000 dead, yep questionable morally. And similar is happening daily in Gaza and has done for 2 years at least. I'd hope if the allies had kept that up someone would have done something.

25,000 people have been killed per day in Gaza? Through fire bombing?

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Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:48

nomas · 13/10/2025 12:46

What about all the 'look at Sudan' posts. That's derailment.

Edited

For you, yes.

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nomas · 13/10/2025 12:48

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:48

For you, yes.

No, it's derailment for everyone.

Barnbrack · 13/10/2025 12:49

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:45

I will not be derailing the thread to talk about Ireland. Wish I’d never mentioned it

Me too but then it does serve to underline your specific bigoted stance and lack of interest in a narrative that doesn't serve you

millymollymoomoo · 13/10/2025 12:50

I’m bored if it because it’s utterly depressing that people have been gaslit to believe Israel is the enemy. Hamas are 100% to blame for this. Israel has been providing aid, and Hamas won’t allow it through. Hamas release the stats of which most are not certified. Hamas release the pictures which are later verified as propaganda

and gullible people go round spouting genicude: nonsense

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:51

millymollymoomoo · 13/10/2025 12:50

I’m bored if it because it’s utterly depressing that people have been gaslit to believe Israel is the enemy. Hamas are 100% to blame for this. Israel has been providing aid, and Hamas won’t allow it through. Hamas release the stats of which most are not certified. Hamas release the pictures which are later verified as propaganda

and gullible people go round spouting genicude: nonsense

Like a ceasefire I actually think they’re terrified of Netanyahu ending up in ICC because if the facts come out in a way that doesn’t suit them itl be ruinous

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MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 13/10/2025 12:54

millymollymoomoo · 13/10/2025 12:50

I’m bored if it because it’s utterly depressing that people have been gaslit to believe Israel is the enemy. Hamas are 100% to blame for this. Israel has been providing aid, and Hamas won’t allow it through. Hamas release the stats of which most are not certified. Hamas release the pictures which are later verified as propaganda

and gullible people go round spouting genicude: nonsense

Or maybe you have been gaslit to believe that Israel has been providing aid?

Perhaps if Israel had allowed independent journalists into Gaza to see what was actually happening on the ground, we could all be more confident in the information that we are receiving.

vivainsomnia · 13/10/2025 12:54

The answer is obvious. The media only have one interest, money. They will report on what sell ans what sell is what people are most likely to want to read.

WildLimePoet · 13/10/2025 12:57

Only if the Palestinians actually controlled events.

Wars and conflicts of this nature are setup and orchestrated by interested parties. If the Middle East is at peace, who will buy the billions of dollars worth of arms and defence services currently being sold.

Iraq war cost the US taxpayer $1 trillion. And who won the defence contractors, the cronies and lobbyists of US govt. All in the name of WMDs that never existed.

Peace in the Middle East is not good for business.

Hoppinggreen · 13/10/2025 12:58

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 10:43

And now Hamas have picked up the torch and are murdering Palestinians themselves, I wonder how many anti Hamas marches we can expect?

And there we have the true agenda

Sartre · 13/10/2025 13:07

Mealy82 · 13/10/2025 10:29

I find it very odd that there are several areas of the world, such as Nigeria, Sudan and China, where there are mass killings going on. Far more people have been killed in those countries than in Gaza. Apparently in two of those places they unequivocally meet the criteria for genocide.

And yet there is absolutely nothing on the BBC about this. Almost noone knows that these genocides are happening.

It’s because the west aren’t massively involved. We hear incredibly Eurocentric news in the mainstream media if you hadn’t noticed. If we don’t have a political alliance or interest, forget about it.

Hoppinggreen · 13/10/2025 13:17

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:38

So we were the baddies in WW2? And responsible for the mass killing of German citizens, who technically hadn’t touched a hair on our heads?

We pretty much were in Koln and Hiroshima was questionable

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 13:22

Hoppinggreen · 13/10/2025 13:17

We pretty much were in Koln and Hiroshima was questionable

How do you feel about the end result?

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Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 13:23

Hoppinggreen · 13/10/2025 12:58

And there we have the true agenda

It’s funny how when it’s pro-Hamas/‘Palestine’ it’s a genuinely and sincerely held opinion, yet when it’s people who see both sides it’s an ‘agenda’. What’s the difference in your eyes?

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DashboardConfession · 13/10/2025 13:36

Rattanlamp · 13/10/2025 12:42

Ok but let’s not make this about Ireland - I appreciate I used 1 comparator but this is not about Ireland

Does this one make you a bit uncomfy too, OP? Transparent as a fucking window you are. I'm out

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