Men violently preventing women from congregating, communicating and networking, is what the Taliban do. Why is it happening in the UK?

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The FiLiA Women's Liberation Conference was targeted overnight, the attackers even live tweeted the violence.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/25532194.live-brighton-centre-vandalised-feminist-conference-begins/

Local politicians are so far silent.

This is literally terrorism, using fear and violence to shut down legitimate peaceful discussions.

Video of the incident: https://x.com/TransBashBack/status/1976555969439223934

They had the entire Scottish government behind them and many high-profile NGOs.

The public at large don’t agree with them because their ideology is absurd, but public services and organisations, like Sussex Police, Brighton and Hove Council, the local MPs do.

They come across like a bunch of angry student 'anarchists'.

I'm not sure how you're getting militant from a 'statement' that looks like it's been knocked up on Microsoft Paint and their absolute failure to disrupt a conference.

Still men. Still men following the tactics of the fascists and the Taliban by using violence to stop people speaking. What is the difference between this group and the brown shirts of 1930’s Germany?

Favouring violence and intimidation as a method to try to achieve their goals is militant.

I started this thread for a number of reasons.

Primarily to shine a light on men intimidating women into silence, I hope it's done that and a few more people understand that things like this have a real genuine chilling effect on females entering the public discussion space. I personally know women who have had second thoughts about attending.

Secondly, I really hoped a useful actor, such as @Kimura would turn up and do all the hard work for me, shining a light on how poor the arguments for supporting this sort of stuff is, the tired tropes about minorities, and not being supported and how that makes it OK for angry men to smash stuff up. Thanks Kimura, you're doing better work than I expected.

Thirdly - how awful the local Brighton MP is - yes ladies, it's your fault for making the men so angry they HAD to hit you - https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5425390-sian-berry-the-attack-on-fila-conference?page=1

Lastly - how absolutely captured Brighton is. For example, teenage girls being forced to get changed, even for things like swimming - https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5404868-single-sex-changing-spaces-in-a-brighton-secondary-school-new-school-year-new-thread?page=1

EDIT oh and:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5425523-welcome-to-a-new-era-of-trans-rage?page=1

"Trans Rage"

Through violence. Women are pushing back and we had the marvellous FWS singing after the SC win.

We say no, use words and actions as FWS do and men use threats and actual violence. Your posts still sound like ‘look at what you made me do’.

Their violence is part of why we are pushing back.

Exactly, despite all the desperate minimising the pp knows this.

What 'rights' are these men fighting for?

You know exactly what they want, why are you asking questions you already know the answer to?

And are you going answer my earlier question about what makes them so 'upset' about women upholding their legal rights to single sex spaces?

I didn't see your question. But if you can't figure it out for yourself, why don't you ask one of them? I'm not sure why you think I'd have any greater insight into than you, but it's hardly rocket science that people get upset when they're told that they can't have the things that they want, is it?

Imagine admitting that you're intimidated by that lot. How embarrassing.

We all know they think they are right, @Kimura- I’m not sure what the point of repeating it over and over is, if not to bring in the idea of “both sides”. They aren’t right. They are misogynistic bullies, however laughable their communications. They are LARPing as revolutionaries, that doesn’t mean they can’t hurt women.

Your posts are increasingly revealing. Desperate.

So you're presenting them as a poor marginalised group, fighting for their 'rights' but can't even bring yourself to say what these are? What does that tell you?

And you're arguing that 'upset' people will react. But there are legitimate grounds to being upset and illegitimate grounds. What do you think is going on here?

Should we be fine with everyone who is 'upset' going round smashing windows? No of course not. These misogynists need to grow the hell up and act like reasonable adults. Why are you still making excuses for them?

Yes no problem, the two that came immediately to mind were both at let women speak events. Sorry it took me a while.

Kellie J Keen had liquid thrown on her (soup IIRC) by an angry TRA, a prominent young TRA mouth then tweeted that he wished it had been acid, and lets be honest, it could very easily have been.
On googling the soup incident, I now see that it's happened to her at least twice. On man was arrested for it, which I also didn't know, so that's a positive!
Moment women's rights campaigner Kellie-Jay Keen is doused in soup AGAIN at rally in Sheffield: Man, 34, is charged with assault by beating | Daily Mail Online

Then there was the older woman (70's IIRC) who was punched in the face, this happened at the same Let Women Speak event as one of KJK getting soup thrown on her.
The violent man who punched her was identified but it took a while and a lot of vocal protest at the police for any action to be taken. I know the link I've given says he was charged, but I could swear I read later that he was then released without charge (again IIRC), and there was an attempt to keep his name secret.
Posie Parker protest: Police charge man accused of hitting elderly woman in the head | RNZ News

I think the reason given for not even releasing his name essentially boiled down to keep the violent man "safe", presumably from "reprisals" from "violent feminists" - please feel free to imagine me demonstrating with ridiculous air quotes here.

His details were leaked, but of course no violent women rocked up to give him a doing... to no one's surprise.
Probably because we are 1) not violent in general, 2) smaller and physically weaker in general, 3) usually law abiding citizens, and 4) are right, with the law, science and common sense on our side.

Contrast and compare to what has happened to women. Loss of jobs, tribunals, de-platformed, harassed online and in person, threatened and physically assaulted, detained by police and let go (sometimes repeatedly), crimes recorded against them with no evidence, investigation, and without notifying the women (and I think at least one man) who now have crimes on record because some man reported a non-crime hate incident against them for a "transphobic" tweet along the lines of sex is binary, or trans women are men.

I don't have any faith that arrests will actually happen over this FiLiA. If there are and they actually go somewhere I will be pleasantly surprised.

When I googled for the woman being punched in the face in New Zealand article, I actually came across a few other headlines that would fit the bill, so there's even more physical assaults at these events than I was aware of.

One woman was punched in the face in Aberdeen during a Women Won't Wheesht rally.
Feminist campaigner left with black eye after she was 'punched twice' by trans activist in Aberdeen - Scottish Daily Express

They are revealing. Why make excuses for male violence?

The original Speakers Corner event was when Maria McLachlan was beaten up by a group of men identifying as women. The police did very little at first, then women reported sightings of one of them and he was arrested. He was prosecuted, openly supported by “trans rights” groups like this one. He had posted on Facebook beforehand that he was specifically going there to “fuck up some terfs”. He got a slap on the wrist and a few hundred pound fine, which was reduced by the judge due to the “provocation” of the victim because she didn’t use his preferred pronouns.

Secondly, I really hoped a useful actor, such as @Kimura would turn up and do all the hard work for me, shining a light on how poor the arguments for supporting this sort of stuff is, the tired tropes about minorities, and not being supported and how that makes it OK for angry men to smash stuff up.

Except I've not made any arguments for supporting what they did, or said that its ok for angry people to smash stuff up.

I fundamentally disagree with their core belief. I'm just not interested in joining in with this overblown reaction to what happened the other day, and I'm not willing to pretend that I can't possibly understand why they did it.

It's funny, one of the things you hear a lot about the trans issue is people saying something along the lines of "I don't have to participate in their fantasy." I've certainly said similar.

It's ironic then that people here seem intent on participating in a fantasy where a militant terrorist group comparable to the Taliban or the SA have committed some unthinkable act of violence, for no other reason than some vague notion of not want women to speak.

Its almost like some of you want them to do something genuinely awful, just so you can point the finger and say you were right.

Maybe time for women to finally wake up and realize that this what championing far left causes gets you. A dangerous, rabid far left cohort than will come for women as soon as they get a chance.

I'm not at FiLiA this year but if I was and had turned up Friday morning to find that violent transactivists had smashed up the conference centre then yes, I would feel intimidated. I'd have no shame or embarrassment in saying so either, despite your mockery.

Mate, they will do something awful if they aren’t stopped. They have punched women in the face multiple times. They absolutely think they are justified. So did the man who shot Charlie Kirk.

Exactly.

I agree that they're men. But it's not 'men' that are fighting for trans rights is it?

Sorry to nit pick but that is incredibly contradictory isn't it? They're men, but not men, how does that work?

A tiny subsection of men with trans identities are still men, there is nothing tangible or measurable that distinguishes them from other men, nor is there anything tangible or measurable that makes them similar to women.

They have less public support, less resources and they started on the back foot. They are absolutely the minority in this scenario.

Well again sorry to be contradictory, but that's not entirely true either. For the last 20 years public support has been very much behind trans ideology, we can see that by the huge changes that have happened on a societal level across the globe. Just look at the provisions made for them, the change to language which obfuscated all meaning and dependant on the TRA speaker could mean interchangeable things. Look at the ever shifting goalposts with no pushback. Look at the changes to single sex spaces, schools, prisons.

Some of the support that was previously set aside specifically to support women as single sex services have been taken away from us because they were essentially made mixed sex (Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre), and in some cases funding has been denied because the providers of the service have wanted to continue providing the actually vulnerable and oppressed women retain their single sex life lines.

Some of the support was gained via stealth (prisons), the law was clarified by the Supreme Court in April and yet there is so much support for the trans ideology that the NHS, government, police, and other public services are still dragging their feet to comply.

They had huge resources with millions (billions?) of public funds in the UK going out as grants etc.

They did not start on the back foot at all, if you go back and look at what actually happened you'll see that over the years there was a slow build up then, wham! Suddenly there were men telling the world how they were the most oppressed, the most vulnerable, the tiniest of minorities... and yet such a small, oppressed, vulnerable minority has managed to wield incredible power to change so many things, and to silence very effectively their supposed oppressing class - those nasty feminists that won't let them steamroller over our actual rights.

Time and again the evidence shows that actually trans identified men are not oppressed at all.

We can see the vocal and violent TRAs are not vulnerable at all.

We know they are not subject to the same level of violence that women are subject to.

We know they are not a minority because they were, remain, and always will be men, the sex class that makes up half of the worlds population.

So you're presenting them as a poor marginalised group, fighting for their 'rights' but can't even bring yourself to say what these are? What does that tell you?

I'm not presenting them as anything, it's a fact that they're a tiny minority.

I don't need to tell you anything, especially something you quite clearly already know. You asking is telling me that you don't actually have anything useful to add to the conversation yourself.

And you're arguing that 'upset' people will react. But there are legitimate grounds to being upset and illegitimate grounds. What do you think is going on here?

I'm not arguing it, it's a fact. If someone is upset, it's obviously legitimate to them, isn't it? Otherwise they would be upset.

Should we be fine with everyone who is 'upset' going round smashing windows? No of course not. These misogynists need to grow the hell up and act like reasonable adults. Why are you still making excuses for them?

I haven't made a single excuse for them, this is something you've made up in your own head and are now arguing against a position that doesn't exist.

Saying that I understand why people might behave in a certain way isn't 'making excuses for them'.

It's chilling reading the statements they've put out, they really seem to think they're untouchable and can do whatever they like.

You are making excuses for them @Kimura- stop this disingenuous nonsense please. They aren’t justified. They think they are because they are misogynistic bullies who’ve never once considered women. And of course they have their female hangers on. Women with internalised misogyny.