Men violently preventing women from congregating, communicating and networking, is what the Taliban do. Why is it happening in the UK?

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The FiLiA Women's Liberation Conference was targeted overnight, the attackers even live tweeted the violence.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/25532194.live-brighton-centre-vandalised-feminist-conference-begins/

Local politicians are so far silent.

This is literally terrorism, using fear and violence to shut down legitimate peaceful discussions.

Video of the incident: https://x.com/TransBashBack/status/1976555969439223934

But a lot of women’s events all over the country are protested. Often only releasing their venue a few hours before the event.
Others such as WI or Girl Guides allow/have allowed men/boys in frocks in.

Women at Filia are more concerned that they had been asking for more security measures for 18 months. And the outer higher barrier only went up after the 1st morning.
I can’t think of many events that have 3 layers of security: Police, venue security and then the mainly Lesbian security team.

How is that relevant to the OP? The Taliban think they’re right too. It’s simply an analogy as an explanation of what’s going on. This is just the latest in a long line of incidents, some of which involved women being physically hurt by unhinged male activists.

It’s true that male trans rights activists are “violently preventing women from congregating, communicating and networking”. They haven’t succeeded on this occasion thankfully but they absolutely have on others.

But in that case, women would be doing the same wouldnt they? But they’re not. Why is that do you think? Why are women not committing acts of violence, marching through the streets with offensive placards. Why are women not throwing soup?

I haven't defended or minimized anything. I have repeatedly said that just because these activists think something is justified, doesn't make them right.

If a group, or a society, takes a stance on something that deeply upsets/affects another group of people within it, they can expect that group to push back.

You might feel that there's no justification for it, they obviously disagree, which is why they do what they do.

What’s the point of saying this over and over again. We know they think they’re right. They are not. They are abusive, misogynistic bullies.

And yes you have repeatedly minimised it, stop being disingenuous please.

Shame left wing politicians enable them rather than condemn them. All the parties still endorsing this nonsense are on the left, the Communist Party being the exception.

I wish it wasn't so but I refuse to be gaslit or take part in the gaslighting of others.

I agree. The fact that much of the left has turned on women and LGB people in this way doesn’t mean that they are “right wing” now. Not all the bad stuff is on the right.

It's not usually the massive majority that has to resort to protesting/direct action to get their voices heard.

Women have of course done so throughout history when fighting for their rights/beliefs.

No, I haven't. Saying that smashing windows isn't comparable with the atrocities of the Taliban is not minimizing.

Nobody was hurt, this is a fact. The conference went ahead exactly as planned, this is a fact. Nobody was prevented from speaking, this is a fact. You're free to pretend that's comparable to the Taliban's playbook if you like, but I'm not going along with it.

So what do you think the TRAs find so 'upsetting' about women standing up for their rights to their own spaces, as per the law?

Good for you. You’re as entitled to your view as anyone else. But you have absolutely minimised what’s happened to women due to this absurd ideology.

These men (by which I mean the group of men who are militant trans rights activists, not just the men in Brighton) are “violently preventing women from congregating, communicating and networking” which is the comparison being made here. Pp has repeatedly minimised this.

Its quite hard to quantify how many women have NOT gone to meetings because of fear of transactivists, because of their aggressive, intimidatory and harassing tactics, but I'd wager that number is fairly high.

Indeed.

They’ll tell themselves the men are sad, vulnerable outliers who have been led to this through longtime oppression 🥱

Men are not a minority. These are men.

There is no comparison with what these violent trans activist men have been doing for the last 20 years with what women have had to go through over the last 100 years.

There is the right to peaceful protest, then there is the violent actions of trans activist men.

This behaviour is an escalation in the continuing harassment of women.

It's not even really protest to my mind, it's just misogyny, now with criminal property damage.

It's really sad that a number of us expect the police to finally do something about broken glass when they have repeatedly failed to act on behalf of the actual women who have been targeted and in a few cases physically assaulted by these men. To be completely honest I'm not holding out much hope for any arrests even with these men doing yet more property damage. The police seem totally captured still.

Yanbu

How far would FWS have got in their aims if they'd decided to vandalise MPs' offices and brick the windows of trans conferences instead of making their case politically and legally?

in a few cases physically assaulted by these men

Can to link me to any details of this? I'm not saying I don't believe you, I just find it unlikely that police would have ignored a direct assault.

To be completely honest I'm not holding out much hope for any arrests even with these men doing yet more property damage.

If they can identify them they'll arrest them. It'll likely come down to CCTV though, or a fall-out in the group and someone grassing them in. If people feel strongly about it they should write to their local MP, who may be able to put pressure on the police if there's enough support.

Thread about the militant TRA group responsible https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5425523-welcome-to-a-new-era-of-trans-rage?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

Men are not a minority. These are men.

I agree that they're men. But it's not 'men' that are fighting for trans rights is it? It's a tiny, tiny subsection of men who are trans. They have less public support, less resources and they started on the back foot. They are absolutely the minority in this scenario.

They have plenty of resources and support. Gender critical feminists are the underdog here.

What 'rights' are these men fighting for?

And are you going answer my earlier question about what makes them so 'upset' about women upholding their legal rights to single sex spaces?