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To be increasingly enraged by 14 yr old DS's social etiquette

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GreenLingo · 09/10/2025 13:57

Or more to the point - lack of etiquette.
Oldest child, first to hit teen years, so I've got no experience.
I need some advice.
I place a lot of importance on good manners and good etiquette. I just think it's so important in life.
I have drilled it in to my kids since they were old enough to start understanding, as in around 2 years old.
One of the things I'm really big on is being polite to others.
DS, as a primary school age child, up until he left at the age of 11, was a ray of sunshine. My God, I think back and he was just this ball of bright, radiant, happy, smiling, laughing, energy, he was a very engaged and engaging child. He constantly looked happy. And after all my hard work of teaching him manners and social etiquette, he displayed them beautifully. He would greet every adult he knew, i.e. my adult friends, DH's friends, adult family members such as my brother, my mum, the parents of his school friends, teachers, etc., with direct eye contact, a huge smile, and a hello. They would talk to him, ask how his day has been, and he would cheerfully and confidently answer them and openly chat to them whilst still maintaining eye contact and exhibiting brilliant social manners. Adults that are close family friends, and family members, would extend their arms to hug him and he would happily hug them and smile at them. I would receive endless compliments from these adults about how polite he was, and how good his manners were, and they would all comment on how lovely he was. He was like this right up to age of late 11.
When he started secondary school aged 12, he suddenly shut down socially and suddenly started to find direct eye contact difficult in conversation with these same adults, so he started looking away from them when they spoke to him - the exact same adults he'd spent his whole childhood happily chatting to and engaging with and spending loads of time with, so I'm talking about adults he knows really well - and he stopped smiling at these same adults.
I explained to him it is really important to look at someone when they are speaking to you, otherwise it looks rude, or sends signals that you're not listening, but literally overnight he just suddenly couldn't do it anymore.
I put it down to shyness maybe developing with the onset of puberty. He was growing much taller, his voice was changing, his appearance was changing, new secondary school changes, his lifelong best friend friendship broke down which upset him, and I just thought maybe he's overwhelmed by all these changes and is feeling self conscious. The same adults started commenting on it to me, noticing how different he was behaving towards them when they saw him, and were asking me if he was ok. I used to apologise and explain that puberty had brought a sudden attack of shyness with it and they would all sagely nod and say "Ah I see, of course, yes. It'll pass."
Fast forward another 2 years and his social manners are an absolute disgrace. My God, he is so rude to people. He won't look at them. He will not meet their direct eye contact. He won't smile at them. He won't say a basic hello to them. If he is asked a direct question by them, he won't answer in more than 1 word and even then he'll say it to the ground, not to their face. I've told him, if you're finding it difficult to talk to people, just at least smile at them. A smile can say so much. But he will not smile at anyone.
It's killing me, socially. I'm dying of embarrassment. These are lovely, non intimidating adults who are either long standing family friends or family members who he has known and spent quality time with all his life.
Yesterday, I was on the village green talking to a mum friend. We have been to several parties at her house with DS. She has hosted him. Openly welcomed him at her house. He has given her a hug over the years upon arriving and leaving her parties with us. Yesterday, he walked past me and her on his way home from school, he wouldn't even look at her. She tried really hard to catch his eye to smile, and he just made sure he looked away. He would not look at or smile at her. I walked over to him whilst she was seeing to her dog, and asked him to please say hello to her. He would not. He wouldn't answer me and he wouldn't speak to her.
I could give umpteen examples of this. So many social situations where he is blanking my friends, blanking parents of his friends, people whose homes he has spent time in for years. Even to family members, my brother and mum, his uncle and grandmother, he has stopped hugging them and barely speaks a word to them.
I can see the confusion in people's faces, and I can see that they sometimes look a bit hurt, or a bit offended, by his blanking of them. No amount of me explaining to him about how he is coming across to others is having any impact. And believe me, I've talked to him about it over and over again.
Took DS to a medical appointment yesterday. A 45 minute consultation, where a professional was directly talking to him and trying to get information from him (he has a medical health condition). Not once would DS meet their eyeline. Not once did he give eye contact.
I took him to a GP last week because he was ill and needed antibiotics. Wouldn't look at the doctor at all when he was being spoken to.
2 old friends of mine visited, said hello and smiled to DS and he didn't smile back, he just gave a straight faced hello whilst looking down, then looked away. He walked off without saying a word to her, and my friend said to me "He doesn't want to see us does he" in a sarcastic and challenging tone of voice, and she looked visibly pissed off. This friend buys him birthday and Christmas presents every year, through his whole life and still to this day. I'd briefed him beforehand about manners and how he must ensure good manners and be polite to these close friends of mine, as I pre-empted what his behaviour would be like. Still, he still couldn't be polite.
I am really, seriously struggling with this.
I have talked to him over and over again about this. I understand a 14 year old boy isn't going to go around hugging adult women like he did when he was 6, and I understand that puberty brings self consciousness, but for God's sake, he can't say a basic hello and look at someone in the eye anymore?! It's insane.
What is going on with him?
If he'd been like this his whole life I'd have maybe some understanding, or at least acceptance. But how has he gone from such a bright, happy soul smiling and talking and looking at all the adults in his life, to this?

OP posts:
Dishwater · 09/10/2025 13:59

Oh god just saw this post and it reminded me of my son (I have a very active post right now) he was like this and suffice to say it’s gotten worse. I don’t have advice but I am sorry.

hkathy · 09/10/2025 14:05

Oh OP I do feel for you. You’re entering a stage now where the communication changes completely, and as it’s your oldest it’s uncharted territory. A friend of mine swears by this book: https://amzn.eu/d/78Dri28

Maray1967 · 09/10/2025 14:07

Both of mine went through a surly, rude phase, but not as bad as you’re describing. 14 is still prime time for this. I insisted that my two both made the minimal amount of contact i.e. saying hello to grandparents when they arrived but then they could scoot back upstairs, but a friend of mine wouldn’t do that, let her DD ignore people completely, and at 16 she is admittedly better.

Was this a sudden change?

MidlandsGal1 · 09/10/2025 14:07

Sounds like you’re putting an insane amount of pressure on him to be social, like you’ve been parading him around like a prize to your friends his entire life.

His behaviour is common, especially for boys. Cut him some slack and let him adjust to growing up.

CreteBound · 09/10/2025 14:08

Oh my word leave him be! He’s a kid going through puberty, your friends are not interesting to him and he doesn’t owe them his attention.

Maray1967 · 09/10/2025 14:09

Ignore the final point - you did indeed say it was sudden.

I’d be trying to find out whether something has happened at school.

BallerinaRadio · 09/10/2025 14:09

Does he spend a lot of time on his phone? YouTube etc?

I know surly teens have been around forever but my God phones have a lot to answer for at the minute.

FunnysInLaJardin · 09/10/2025 14:10

MidlandsGal1 · 09/10/2025 14:07

Sounds like you’re putting an insane amount of pressure on him to be social, like you’ve been parading him around like a prize to your friends his entire life.

His behaviour is common, especially for boys. Cut him some slack and let him adjust to growing up.

this! He is 14 and this is just what they can be like.

If you are putting this much pressure on him and trying to control how he interacts with people, he is probably rebelling too.

coxesorangepippin · 09/10/2025 14:12

Is stop mentioning it tbh

Sounds like he's had enough

When parents relentlessly insist on things, teens do tend to rebel

HarlequinHare · 09/10/2025 14:12

He just sounds like he is being a teenager to me. DS1 didn’t make eye contact with me for about three years between the ages of 14 and 17 and basically disappeared into his room, he is now back to being lovely.

Woodwalk · 09/10/2025 14:12

It's embarrassing to speak to adults/be friendly to mums friends. It's not 'cool'.

It's also extremely rude and I can see you are despairing. It is possible that when you are not there your son is actually much better with his manners. For example at the doctor's, with you there to maintain eye contact, speak to the doctor he didn't 'need' to (for any reason other than politeness at least!!!).

When I was 14 I attended medical appointments on my own - I distinctly remember going on the pill at that age and certainly arranged that myself. Could he attend his next appointment without you? Whilst you are there he may continue to default into sullen teen mode.

How is he with his own peers, as this may be more telling of the man he will become than how he relates to your friends/family.

I would certainly tell any friends and family who were buying gifts for him etc to stop that and let him feel the consequences of his behaviour.

I don't think he's doing anything particularly abnormal for a teen boy his age though, although I dont have a child that age, so more based on remembering my own teenage years.

It probably will pass, but I think I'd be encouraging him into more solo activities where he is forced to engage - eg shops, doctors, dentists without you there to be the adult!

TheCosyViewer · 09/10/2025 14:15
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Has your DS friends of his own - how does he interact with them ? It sounds to me as if you are putting far too much pressure on him to be this charming, well mannered person, just so you can bask in the compliments from your friends and family. I’ve always encouraged my children to have good manners and greet people politely and to chat with them, etc. but I never encouraged them to go around hugging relatives or my friends.

Not all, but quite a lot of young teens get less chatty and can be socially awkward with older people for a few years. It’s pretty natural and normal and most adults know this.

Maybe back off putting so much pressure on your DS and allow him to be himself without you scrutinising his every move and also ask yourself why you set so much importance on your friends and family being wowed by your child’s manners.

User415373 · 09/10/2025 14:15

Does he have a phone? Watch YouTube and tiktok etc?

Wednesdayonline · 09/10/2025 14:19

Sounds like quite bad social anxiety to be honest, perhaps something you should look into with him instead of trying to force him to speak to people when he seems uncomfortable? Yes teenagers can be moody but it's often not so bad that they can't even look at people.

Potatoespotatoesagain · 09/10/2025 14:21

Sounds like you’re making him feel pretty rough about himself.
i imagine when he started secondary school the process of parent separation started and he realised he doesn’t want to be puppeted by his mum
this is all about you!!
leave him be, help him with his self confidence and support how he might be feeling about himself at an extremely challenging time in his life in

SummerHouse · 09/10/2025 14:23

"It's killing me, socially. I'm dying of embarrassment."

This from your OP is likely how he is feeling.

He needs you in his corner right now. He can't do the things you are asking. Can't. Not won't. No more than I could not smile and say hello to someone I know.

Gentle reminders and kindness and hopefully he will emerge on the other side of this as a confident and polite young man.

FutureMarchionessOfVidal · 09/10/2025 14:23

This sounds fairly normal, alas. Of course it does not mean you should stop telling him to make eye contact! Just that you should not conclude that he is some sort of monstrous outlier.

A really good book that might help is ‘Get out of my life - but first take me & Alex into town’ by Tony Wolf.

The book suggests that the better way to assess who your children are & how they are doing is to look at how they interact with their own friends- not how they interact with family & family friends.

And of course a re-watching of Kevin the Teenager might help as a reminder that the transformation from beaming delightful child to charmless hulking yob is indeed a sad one but not unique to you.

I am afraid though that I think your sarcastic friend was being a bit of a tit. Her comment was silly & unnecessary- she must have picked up that you were embarrassed

jeaux90 · 09/10/2025 14:25

JFC just stop. Can you centre him rather than the way he makes you look?? Maybe this is typical teen behaviour or maybe there is something else going on (my DD16 masked very well for years but is AuDHD so struggles with eye contact and relationships since hitting puberty)

TheGreatWesternShrew · 09/10/2025 14:26

Ah yes… he’s been infected with TEENAGERITIS. My youngest brother was just like that from 14 to 19. Just a real eye rolling, surly, avoidant boy. Horrible. He’s still a bit of a surly adult but he at least stands up straight and speaks to people now. And can have a laugh.

Thankfully my eldest brother remained a ray of sunshine his whole life and is a jolly adult. My sister was somewhere in between.

Alittlefrustrated · 09/10/2025 14:26

Please stop pressurising him and making it all about how it makes you feel OP.
My mother did this with my sister and destroyed her self confidence. She ended up with a severe eating disorder for many years.
I say this as the mother of a 14yo boy with social anxiety syptoms. He is exactly as you describe,even with wider family members who he used to be very sociable towards.
Stick up for him with the likes of your arsey friend. It's not all about her either.

PowerhouseOfTheCell · 09/10/2025 14:27

Honestly, the pressure and vibes you're giving off are making ME anxious, let alone a 14-year-old lad! I'd stick to the basics of hello, please and thank you.

isitmyturn · 09/10/2025 14:27

It's called puberty.
He will return to the charming sunny individual he was before in another couple of years.

titchy · 09/10/2025 14:28

Gosh that was an intense post. The length, the detail, the words you choose to use.

Your teen son had morphed into an awkward sulky adolescent. It’s really boringly common.

He hyper-self-conscious in a way that primary aged kids aren’t. His body is different. His voice is different. He wants the ground to swallow him up. Added to which his mother is insisting he smiles at everyone and chats to them and is embarrassed by him and the world is JUST SO INTENSE AND HE WANTS TO GET OFF!!!

Seriously - chill. Those polite roots are there hiding. They’ll reappear once all those horrendous things he’s feeling disappear.

PowerhouseOfTheCell · 09/10/2025 14:29

I'd have also told your friend off sharpish, no adult should make a child feel 2 inches tall in his own home.

Thundertoast · 09/10/2025 14:30

Just want to pick one thing out - you have already acknowledged that you cant expect him to hug people, great, but if we cant tell adult women to smile, we also shouldn't be telling teenagers or children. I know you mean well, I get that you probably only said that because its a signal of change in dynamic, but just wanted to be clear. Why would someone want to get a smile off someone who isnt in the mood to smile? It doesnt really make sense. I was also an outgoing child who got very shy in her teen years, so I can give suggestions here.
He might just feel very on display. I felt like this, I just felt suddenly very aware of other people, of my parents watching my interactions, of how my parents behaved. I wouldn't smile because I'd either forget or I couldn't force one out in the moment, it just felt unnatural. And it would have looked unnatural! Eye contact was hard for me because it just all felt a bit intense because of how on display I felt at school all day long. I think you need to ask yourself: Do you think he's doing it to annoy you, or is he doing it because he's just going through a phase where he's just not comfortable in his own skin?