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To be increasingly enraged by 14 yr old DS's social etiquette

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GreenLingo · 09/10/2025 13:57

Or more to the point - lack of etiquette.
Oldest child, first to hit teen years, so I've got no experience.
I need some advice.
I place a lot of importance on good manners and good etiquette. I just think it's so important in life.
I have drilled it in to my kids since they were old enough to start understanding, as in around 2 years old.
One of the things I'm really big on is being polite to others.
DS, as a primary school age child, up until he left at the age of 11, was a ray of sunshine. My God, I think back and he was just this ball of bright, radiant, happy, smiling, laughing, energy, he was a very engaged and engaging child. He constantly looked happy. And after all my hard work of teaching him manners and social etiquette, he displayed them beautifully. He would greet every adult he knew, i.e. my adult friends, DH's friends, adult family members such as my brother, my mum, the parents of his school friends, teachers, etc., with direct eye contact, a huge smile, and a hello. They would talk to him, ask how his day has been, and he would cheerfully and confidently answer them and openly chat to them whilst still maintaining eye contact and exhibiting brilliant social manners. Adults that are close family friends, and family members, would extend their arms to hug him and he would happily hug them and smile at them. I would receive endless compliments from these adults about how polite he was, and how good his manners were, and they would all comment on how lovely he was. He was like this right up to age of late 11.
When he started secondary school aged 12, he suddenly shut down socially and suddenly started to find direct eye contact difficult in conversation with these same adults, so he started looking away from them when they spoke to him - the exact same adults he'd spent his whole childhood happily chatting to and engaging with and spending loads of time with, so I'm talking about adults he knows really well - and he stopped smiling at these same adults.
I explained to him it is really important to look at someone when they are speaking to you, otherwise it looks rude, or sends signals that you're not listening, but literally overnight he just suddenly couldn't do it anymore.
I put it down to shyness maybe developing with the onset of puberty. He was growing much taller, his voice was changing, his appearance was changing, new secondary school changes, his lifelong best friend friendship broke down which upset him, and I just thought maybe he's overwhelmed by all these changes and is feeling self conscious. The same adults started commenting on it to me, noticing how different he was behaving towards them when they saw him, and were asking me if he was ok. I used to apologise and explain that puberty had brought a sudden attack of shyness with it and they would all sagely nod and say "Ah I see, of course, yes. It'll pass."
Fast forward another 2 years and his social manners are an absolute disgrace. My God, he is so rude to people. He won't look at them. He will not meet their direct eye contact. He won't smile at them. He won't say a basic hello to them. If he is asked a direct question by them, he won't answer in more than 1 word and even then he'll say it to the ground, not to their face. I've told him, if you're finding it difficult to talk to people, just at least smile at them. A smile can say so much. But he will not smile at anyone.
It's killing me, socially. I'm dying of embarrassment. These are lovely, non intimidating adults who are either long standing family friends or family members who he has known and spent quality time with all his life.
Yesterday, I was on the village green talking to a mum friend. We have been to several parties at her house with DS. She has hosted him. Openly welcomed him at her house. He has given her a hug over the years upon arriving and leaving her parties with us. Yesterday, he walked past me and her on his way home from school, he wouldn't even look at her. She tried really hard to catch his eye to smile, and he just made sure he looked away. He would not look at or smile at her. I walked over to him whilst she was seeing to her dog, and asked him to please say hello to her. He would not. He wouldn't answer me and he wouldn't speak to her.
I could give umpteen examples of this. So many social situations where he is blanking my friends, blanking parents of his friends, people whose homes he has spent time in for years. Even to family members, my brother and mum, his uncle and grandmother, he has stopped hugging them and barely speaks a word to them.
I can see the confusion in people's faces, and I can see that they sometimes look a bit hurt, or a bit offended, by his blanking of them. No amount of me explaining to him about how he is coming across to others is having any impact. And believe me, I've talked to him about it over and over again.
Took DS to a medical appointment yesterday. A 45 minute consultation, where a professional was directly talking to him and trying to get information from him (he has a medical health condition). Not once would DS meet their eyeline. Not once did he give eye contact.
I took him to a GP last week because he was ill and needed antibiotics. Wouldn't look at the doctor at all when he was being spoken to.
2 old friends of mine visited, said hello and smiled to DS and he didn't smile back, he just gave a straight faced hello whilst looking down, then looked away. He walked off without saying a word to her, and my friend said to me "He doesn't want to see us does he" in a sarcastic and challenging tone of voice, and she looked visibly pissed off. This friend buys him birthday and Christmas presents every year, through his whole life and still to this day. I'd briefed him beforehand about manners and how he must ensure good manners and be polite to these close friends of mine, as I pre-empted what his behaviour would be like. Still, he still couldn't be polite.
I am really, seriously struggling with this.
I have talked to him over and over again about this. I understand a 14 year old boy isn't going to go around hugging adult women like he did when he was 6, and I understand that puberty brings self consciousness, but for God's sake, he can't say a basic hello and look at someone in the eye anymore?! It's insane.
What is going on with him?
If he'd been like this his whole life I'd have maybe some understanding, or at least acceptance. But how has he gone from such a bright, happy soul smiling and talking and looking at all the adults in his life, to this?

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Dappy777 · 09/10/2025 14:31

I completely agree with you about the importance of manners. But you’ve got to remember that this is just a phase. Boys can be utterly vile at that age. If you have instilled good manners in him, he’ll recover them at some point.

My son had a girlfriend in his late teens whose manners were awful. God, I couldn’t bear her. She held her knife and fork like a toddler, banged her fork against her teeth as she ate, talked with her mouth full, whispered things to my son at the dinner table, never looked us in the eye, and sort of sniggered with contempt at everything we said. No one uses the word anymore, but she was ‘common’. Vulgarity and commonness have nothing to do with money btw. You can be poor and have exquisite manners (just as you can be an aristocrat and have filthy manners).

Notagain75 · 09/10/2025 14:31

I agree with PP. Please just let him be. You are putting so much pressure on him you are making him very self conscious and so making the situation worse.
Also try and think about how he might feel and the normal phase of development that he is going through. Focus on his feelings and not how embarrassing you find him at the moment.

umberellaonesie · 09/10/2025 14:34

2 of mine are grown now and would say this behaviour is normal teenage boy behaviour directed at immediate family but not to everyone else.
My boys could be surly and rude and ignore me but absolutely behaved in an appropriate way with other adults always. Sometimes switching in a sentence between rudeness to me and normal with another adult.
Your son's behaviour sounds extreme. But so does his behaviour pre puberty. Hugging adults out with family being overly friendly with adults isn't normal for most 9 year old boys.
He has gone from one extreme to the other.
Did he and his lifelong friend fall out? I would be investigating that as a trigger.

Namechange2700000 · 09/10/2025 14:34

Yeah, you need to back off.

YourGreyJoker · 09/10/2025 14:35

All you have taught him will come back again, please don’t worry. I’ve been through this and they both came out the other end as confident, charming and polite young adults. Try to think of it as he isn’t being rude, he just hasn’t got the capacity to be polite at the moment.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 09/10/2025 14:38

Sorry, sounds typical of his age. You need to relax and give him a break, he's figuring out who he is and his place in the world. It's tough being a young teen.

PevenseygirlQQ · 09/10/2025 14:38

As long as he says hello please and thank you, leave him be. You nagging him will just irritate him because there’s no one more annoying than your parents when you’re a teenager. He likely does not give a flying F about your friends either to put it bluntly. This phase will pass, make sure he has his basic manners and if he is otherwise well behaved let him live out his teenage angst! Don’t you remember what it was like to be 14?

GoneAlready · 09/10/2025 14:38

You’ve never seen Kevin the Teenager, then? <grin>

ginasevern · 09/10/2025 14:38

I assume you've never watched videos of "Kevin the Teenager" from Harry Enfield & Chums. It's recommended viewing for all mothers of teenage sons. Apart from that, I do think you need to back off a bit. And I say that as someone who is also very keen on good manners.

OneFootAfterTheOther · 09/10/2025 14:39

He seems quite extreme but equally you seem quite intense about it.

Teens do tend to get quieter, but would usually say hello. Just give him some space.

GreenLingo · 09/10/2025 14:39

PowerhouseOfTheCell · 09/10/2025 14:27

Honestly, the pressure and vibes you're giving off are making ME anxious, let alone a 14-year-old lad! I'd stick to the basics of hello, please and thank you.

I AM sticking to the basics of hello, please and thank you!
That's all I'm aiming for!
My bar is very low!

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MsWilmottsGhost · 09/10/2025 14:39

Ah I have a teen too. Parents are soooo cringey right now, it's unbearable, they can't even look at us 😂

With DD I have found the more pressure put on her to be sociable, the more she withdraws. I remind her (in private) that it is polite to say hello to people, but I don't nag her in front of my friends, or hers, or expect her to hold full conversations. A hello is enough.

If we don't pressure her at all, sometimes she surprises us by reverting to the confident chatty girl again. It's lovely.

Its hard being a teen, they are so painfully self conscious. I have friends with older teens who seem to have come out of the other side, so there's hope 🤞

diddl · 09/10/2025 14:40

He walked off without saying a word to her, and my friend said to me "He doesn't want to see us does he" in a sarcastic and challenging tone of voice, and she looked visibly pissed off.

Well no, why would he?

She's your friend!

MsWilmottsGhost · 09/10/2025 14:41

I showed DD the Kevin the Teenager clip when she was about 8, and she was horrified and promised she would never ever be like that mummy 😂

parietal · 09/10/2025 14:41

Your poor kid. Being a teenager is hard enough, and then having a parent trying to control his social behaviour must be horrible.

give him space. No one should be forced to make eye contact or smile if they don’t want to. Less eye contact can reflect social anxiety which will get worse if you force things and keep telling the poor kid that everyone thinks he is rude.

when he is ready, he may engage more with adults. But don’t force him. Just let him be.

ItstheHRTpat · 09/10/2025 14:42

Not being one of those people, but autism can present more strongly through puberty because they no longer have the ability to mask as well as they did when a child with significantly fewer problems. This happened with both of my dc

ZiggyZowie · 09/10/2025 14:43

I remember being like this aged 14 - 17 , and it passes..

I was a polite child and now am a polite adult.
If I remember rightly,there was lots problems with school where I was bullied

.i saw similar with my own son . He was a bubbly bright happy soul but awful as a teen

He is now a 32 year old well adjusted adult

My saying in life " everything must pass "
helps get me through.

ZiggyZowie · 09/10/2025 14:43

I remember being like this aged 14 - 17 , and it passes..

I was a polite child and now am a polite adult.
If I remember rightly,there was lots problems with school where I was bullied

.i saw similar with my own son . He was a bubbly bright happy soul but awful as a teen

He is now a 32 year old well adjusted adult

My saying in life " everything must pass "
helps get me through.

GreenLingo · 09/10/2025 14:44

GoneAlready · 09/10/2025 14:38

You’ve never seen Kevin the Teenager, then? <grin>

Oh this has had me laughing out loud!

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Araminta1003 · 09/10/2025 14:48

To be honest, I would be worried about him if my DS. Is he embarrassed about anything to do with his looks (acne, facial hair etc) How is he at school with teachers? Does he engage in class?

Fushoutofwata · 09/10/2025 14:48

His brain is frying in testosterone atm.
He’s in peak puberty and he’s maturing. Try not to be critical all the time. Keep your rules and boundaries but pick your battles. Be as calm and reasonable as you can, as he moves from being your child to your adult child with a lot more autonomy. He’s got a lot of emotional changes to deal with and you need to reassure him that he’s normal and it doesn’t last for ever. And gently guide him to what’s right hopefully you’ve laid good foundations so he’ll find his way back.
what you don’t want is high risk taking and experimenting without a safety net.

Driftingawaynow · 09/10/2025 14:51

Seriously OP you’re being really, really intense. Leave him alone

GreenLingo · 09/10/2025 14:51

diddl · 09/10/2025 14:40

He walked off without saying a word to her, and my friend said to me "He doesn't want to see us does he" in a sarcastic and challenging tone of voice, and she looked visibly pissed off.

Well no, why would he?

She's your friend!

She's my friend yeah. But she buys him generous gifts or gives him a generous amount of money every Christmas and every birthday for 14 years so imo she at least deserves a brief but polite exchange along the lines of
"Hello DS how are you?" Which she did say.
"Hi, I'm good thanks, how are you you?" Which DS didn't say.
I'm not asking for him to have a sit down chat over a cup of tea with her for God's sake.
I'm asking for common courtesy, a brief but well mannered exchange, then a polite and swift exit.
He's delivering on the swift exit.
But he's not delivering on the polite bit, or on the brief but well mannered exchange.

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LBFseBrom · 09/10/2025 14:52

Mine went from a lively, chatty, engaging child to an inarticulate, monosyllabic yob at eleven. I must say I found it amusing.

Don't worry, it doesn't last.