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For not wanting my kid to wear hijab or get into her dads wife new culture?

323 replies

Thecuddlymeoow · 03/10/2025 10:07

we have a 7 year old daughter.
for me is one thing learning about different religion’s and cultures but not tryna get a step kid into YOUR religion like telling my daughter if she would like to wear a hijab when she’s older, and baby daddy is a whimp and easy controlled by his wife. This may come out as an asshole but i don’t want to grow my kid into something that shes not born from. I respect people who are born from placeses that wear hijabs and have their culture and religions. But our daughter dosn’t belong in this culture shes half norwegian and half south america, im from south america and her dad is norwegian so it make sense that she takes those culture. Sorry for my bad english but i didn’t know i have to deal with a step mom trying to interfere deeper into my daughter life

OP posts:
miraxxx · 03/10/2025 14:05

Finteq · 03/10/2025 13:56

I doubt the woman cared as long as her family were accepting her into the community. And regarding marriage as long as its legal in the UK again I doubt she cared much.

In end it's not for any human on Earth to judge whether she is a Muslim or not. That's between her and her God.

Edited

I think you were being economical with the truth when you claimed she had both hindu and muslim wedding ceremonies. Please give me the name of any imam or mosque that would allow this. On any planet.

WearyAuldWumman · 03/10/2025 14:07

Howwilliknow122 · 03/10/2025 13:58

Im sorry op i would be very careful. Im taking what you've said at its exact face value and as a muslim myself I dont find this normal in fact it sounds like shes obsessed with religion if she feels the need to discuss this with your child . She is not the parent and even as parents we cant force such things on anyone let alone our kids. Speak up now!! Its threads like this as well that really plants the seeds that Muslims are all extremists, this is usually down to culture as well as pig headed men and women who think they know everything about religion when they dont. Listen theres bad ppl in all religions, dont we know this by now?

It's very much a cultural issue.

My dad's side of the family is Christian Orthodox. When we visited the family when I was a child, some of the women in Dad's village wore headscarves all the time; others only wore them if they attended a church service.

It was definitely cultural: one aunt only wore her scarf in church, in spite of being a Christian (in what was then a Communist country); another aunt wore her scarf all the time in spite of the fact that her husband was a member of the Communist party (and a chauvinist).

One time, I had older female relatives commenting approvingly because I was wearing a headscarf. It was because my mum had put my hair rollers in for me...

I was all of 11 years old at the time.

Thecuddlymeoow · 03/10/2025 14:07

For people asking me if the dad was a muslim or had another type of wedding

i really don’t know! I only know he was never a muslim back then We barely talk unless its about our daughter, so i know barely any information about his wife besides her being muslim i just looked her up facebook. he is also fighting me to give and change our daughters last name to his aswell. So idk

OP posts:
Finteq · 03/10/2025 14:12

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 14:01

I pointed out the practicalities of daily life and you say I am catastrophising?
I stuck to dress as it is what Op brought up and it is a serious issue when bringing up a young girl- are you okay with slut shaming?
There is also the issue of diet and alcohol. Op's daughter may eat pork or be careless about eating pork in front of her step family - will she be scolded for that? As she grows up, she may drink alcohol or have bfs -haram or halal?

You're talking about kids that don't exist.

Alcohol that she may drink in 10 years time.

Slut-shaming a 7 year old??

Pork eating- very unlikely at age 7 as the child will not be bringing food into the house.

The ex may have left his new wife or may never have any new kids.

You need to think about what the current issues are.

The main one being how op talks to her Ex about what the expectations are about how she will be exposed to Islam in that environment and what the behaviour expectations are.

Not catastrophising about things that may never happen in 10-15 years time.

Finteq · 03/10/2025 14:14

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 14:05

I think you were being economical with the truth when you claimed she had both hindu and muslim wedding ceremonies. Please give me the name of any imam or mosque that would allow this. On any planet.

It wasn't me who posted that.

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 14:17

Thecuddlymeoow · 03/10/2025 14:07

For people asking me if the dad was a muslim or had another type of wedding

i really don’t know! I only know he was never a muslim back then We barely talk unless its about our daughter, so i know barely any information about his wife besides her being muslim i just looked her up facebook. he is also fighting me to give and change our daughters last name to his aswell. So idk

Edited

He is lying to you and the request to change the surname now, 7 years later and only after he is married to this new wife, fits in with exactly with what I warned you about. He wants to formalise his ownership status. Don't give in, for your daughter's sake. Good luck with everything and stay strong.

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 14:18

BundleBoogie · 03/10/2025 14:04

None of my teenagers deliberately go against advice I have given them for their own wellbeing just to wind me up.

Maybe that’s a ‘you’ problem?

Same

AnyoneWhoHasAHeart · 03/10/2025 14:19

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/10/2025 13:51

Why weren’t you happy about that? Surely teaching comparative religion is the way to garner understanding and dispel unfounded rumour.
Would you be unhappy with any other religious representative addressing the children about their beliefs?

Surely it depends on what they’re teaching the children.

E.g. If a Christian were to go into a school what do they teach? That Christianity is about believing in a loving God, who sent his son to die for our sins? (In a nutshell), or alternatively a more evangelistic Christian might come into school and teach your children that being gay is wrong and there’s a passage in the bible which states that if a man lays with another man he should be stoned to death.

I went to school in a place which preached some of these views, along with “if you don’t start believing in the lord right now you’re going to hell.

Equally does the Muslim go into school and tell the children that that they too believe in a loving God?

Or alternatively does the devout Muslim tell them that women are the property of men. And that because men can’t be trusted to keep their lustful intentions to themselves it is the woman’s responsibility to keep temptation away from them?

The whole teaching of religion just isn’t that simple, and in truth in schools children aren’t that informed, because they’re only taught the good bits, not the rest.

ginasevern · 03/10/2025 14:20

If the OP was Muslim and objecting to her daughter wearing something symbolic of another faith, I expect the replies would validate her concerns almost 100%. At the very least posters would not be piling on with such gusto to accuse her of being appallingly closed minded to other beliefs and cultures. I suspect they wouldn't dare. Has Islam become the definitive badge for the virtue signalling white middle class?

Thecuddlymeoow · 03/10/2025 14:23

@miraxxx no because this was very scketchy for me to! Can you tell me how?
he even told me he would go to court when it comes to her last name.

his wife has his last name to

OP posts:
WearyAuldWumman · 03/10/2025 14:25

Thecuddlymeoow · 03/10/2025 14:23

@miraxxx no because this was very scketchy for me to! Can you tell me how?
he even told me he would go to court when it comes to her last name.

his wife has his last name to

I'd resist the name change, I really would.

WearyAuldWumman · 03/10/2025 14:26

Apart from anything else, OP, if you want to travel with your daughter I believe that it's easier if you both share the same surname. There's no reason why you should make life easier for your ex but harder for you.

TheGander · 03/10/2025 14:27

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 12:59

OP is being gaslighted and being sneered at as a bigot not so subtly on this thread because she has touched on the livewire topic of Islam and even worse, the hijab and has triggered the right-on anti-racists into active combat duty.

  1. The Op explains she is from S America and not fluent in English or explaining herself well.
  2. Op has expressed that she has no objections to her daughter learning a different culture but expresses strong and justified reservations about her daughter being pressurised into modesty dressing and harmful ideas about bodily autonomy and sexuality.
  3. Op has already been lied to by her Norwegian ex. He is almost certainly a muslim convert but has not informed OP. There is no possibility of an observant muslim woman who wears the hijab of marrying a non muslim man. Sharia law is obdurate on this point. Also the law is different for a muslim man and this difference is important as I will explain later.
  4. OP must clear this issue with her ex first and understand that her child's father is now a muslim and as a muslim father, he "owns" his child in the eyes of his new wife and her religion. This is the reason that muslim man can marry non-muslims while muslim women cannot : their offspring are automatically muslim. Sharia courts the world over are very clear on this issue. OP must must negotiate the boundaries of this new reality and assert her rights and wishes. Legally if need be. She is lucky that she lives in Norway and thus still free to do this. There are infamous courtcases in "liberal" countries like Malaysia where non-muslim men facing custody battles with their non-muslim wives, secretly converted to Islam and were instantly awarded custody as the legal owner of the children while the wives could not even be heard. The women never recovered their children.
  5. Op must then understand the reality of modesty culture and educate herself and her daughter on Islam, so they can better negotiate this new life free from ignorance and prejudice. OP's daughter as an uncovered female creates a tension in the stepmum's household which may include other MALE muslim family members. There are rules on which male relatives you can expose your aurat to. OP's daughter as she grows into puberty unwrapped will be seen as restricting the freedom of these male muslims. She will face tremendous pressure to cover up. No ifs and buts about this. Muslim teen girls living in the west who have resisted this family pressure have been murdered. I am not saying she will be murdered for the slow of thinking but that she will face strong pressure and has to be protected from this.
  6. The hijab is not just a neutral piece of cloth or a scarf. It is a highly sexualised symbol of behaviour, control, restricted bodily and sexual autonomy. The 20th century saw muslim feminists across the globe fighting the hijab as an oppressive and repressive tool but sadly that battle has been lost everywhere in the muslim world (and the west) except in Iran where brave girls and women continue their lonely fight, losing life and limbs.
  7. Op is 100% justified in seeing this as a freedom issue and recognising the danger to her child. So do the vast majority of those who have answered the poll. Yet few are brave enough to express in writing their support of OP. God forbid they be called racist and islamophobic. There is already clear social pressure in this thread to browbeat OP with her supposed bigotry.

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TheGander · 03/10/2025 14:29

ginasevern · 03/10/2025 14:20

If the OP was Muslim and objecting to her daughter wearing something symbolic of another faith, I expect the replies would validate her concerns almost 100%. At the very least posters would not be piling on with such gusto to accuse her of being appallingly closed minded to other beliefs and cultures. I suspect they wouldn't dare. Has Islam become the definitive badge for the virtue signalling white middle class?

Yes, there’s been a bromance between the left and Islam ever since the end of communism.

Burritoss · 03/10/2025 14:30

Muslim parents with their own children I understand. But a step mum??? Technically she's not even supposed to marry a non Muslim

LadyoftheMercians · 03/10/2025 14:30

Beeloux · 03/10/2025 12:40

Muslim woman aren’t allowed to marry non Muslim men so she’s being a hypocrite trying to tell your daughter to wear a hijab.

No way would I allow that.

And you know the father hasn't converted?

Thecuddlymeoow · 03/10/2025 14:31

@WearyAuldWumman i know.. i even readed once where the step mum could just travel with her step kid with no problem since having same surname while the BIO mom had to have papers and show them she was the real mom so they could travel.. im not gonna let this happend either

OP posts:
TheGander · 03/10/2025 14:31

Which is probably why there is a high probability the ex husband has converted to Islam, at least nominally.

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 14:31

Thecuddlymeoow · 03/10/2025 14:23

@miraxxx no because this was very scketchy for me to! Can you tell me how?
he even told me he would go to court when it comes to her last name.

his wife has his last name to

His new marriage will be legally a secular one - that you can check the records of but he will also have had a muslim solemnisation ceremony - at home or in a mosque and that one you cannot check at all. BUT a hijabi would not have married him without the second religious ceremony, so he has to have converted to have the second ceremony. If he chooses to lie to you about this, you cannot do much about it. However on the issue of wanting a surname change and mentioning the courts, he may be ready to expand his custody of your daughter. Only you know the terms of your current custody arrangements and how much leeway you want to allow him. Get a lawyer. You are not obliged to answer to anyone on an anonymous internet forum.

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 14:34

WearyAuldWumman · 03/10/2025 14:26

Apart from anything else, OP, if you want to travel with your daughter I believe that it's easier if you both share the same surname. There's no reason why you should make life easier for your ex but harder for you.

100% this OP. Don't give an inch on this and be wary of what countries you ex may want to take your child on holiday to.

Hoppinggreen · 03/10/2025 14:36

Thecuddlymeoow · 03/10/2025 10:59

@LemondrizzleShark no because litteraly over my DEAD BODY, if some random woman to me tries to push my daughter once shes 11-12 to wear a hijab

Why don't you worry about it when and if it happens?

Hoppinggreen · 03/10/2025 14:39

ginasevern · 03/10/2025 14:20

If the OP was Muslim and objecting to her daughter wearing something symbolic of another faith, I expect the replies would validate her concerns almost 100%. At the very least posters would not be piling on with such gusto to accuse her of being appallingly closed minded to other beliefs and cultures. I suspect they wouldn't dare. Has Islam become the definitive badge for the virtue signalling white middle class?

Hijab is cultural and not symbolic of Islam for a start and while I hate religion of any kind being forced on anyone no matter their age it does not sound like that is what is happening here.
OP seems to be getting het up about something that may or may not even happen one day

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 14:40

Hoppinggreen · 03/10/2025 14:36

Why don't you worry about it when and if it happens?

Because it is grooming and does not happen all in one go, one fine day at an appointed time. It starts out slow and sweet. Also because it is not your child but OP's and she can start worrying any time she chooses.

Hoppinggreen · 03/10/2025 14:44

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 14:40

Because it is grooming and does not happen all in one go, one fine day at an appointed time. It starts out slow and sweet. Also because it is not your child but OP's and she can start worrying any time she chooses.

OP does not state anything on here that could be "grooming" that I have seen.
Sounds to me like she does not like her Ex's new wife and has found a reason to get lots of other people to agree with her

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 14:51

Hoppinggreen · 03/10/2025 14:44

OP does not state anything on here that could be "grooming" that I have seen.
Sounds to me like she does not like her Ex's new wife and has found a reason to get lots of other people to agree with her

Dismissive. People seem keen to have a go at the op.