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For not wanting my kid to wear hijab or get into her dads wife new culture?

323 replies

Thecuddlymeoow · 03/10/2025 10:07

we have a 7 year old daughter.
for me is one thing learning about different religion’s and cultures but not tryna get a step kid into YOUR religion like telling my daughter if she would like to wear a hijab when she’s older, and baby daddy is a whimp and easy controlled by his wife. This may come out as an asshole but i don’t want to grow my kid into something that shes not born from. I respect people who are born from placeses that wear hijabs and have their culture and religions. But our daughter dosn’t belong in this culture shes half norwegian and half south america, im from south america and her dad is norwegian so it make sense that she takes those culture. Sorry for my bad english but i didn’t know i have to deal with a step mom trying to interfere deeper into my daughter life

OP posts:
SprayWhiteDung · 03/10/2025 15:26

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 15:14

She doesnt have to be does she? Does she lose the right to get advice about her child on this basis?

Of course not, but this whole issue has clearly arisen out of OP's fears/concerns (some would say projections) about what somebody might (in her mind) do purely because she is a Muslim.

It would seem that, as far as OP sees it, if anybody shows the slightest sign of being a Muslim themselves, that's a sure sign that they will seek to force/aggressively proselytise any non-Muslims they possibly can.

Mildorado · 03/10/2025 15:26

ginasevern · 03/10/2025 15:25

I'm well aware that the hijab is cultural and not symbolic of Islam. We've all been told this a trillion times. I suggest someone tries to inform the vast majority of Muslims.

This ⬆️

ginasevern · 03/10/2025 15:27

Burritoss · 03/10/2025 15:16

You're only Jewish if your biological mother is Jewish. That's what Jewish law says.

Edited

Correct. And the OP's child isn't Muslim.

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 15:29

Hoppinggreen · 03/10/2025 15:17

You are the one who has suggested OP is Racist.

I clearly wrote that many here are presumptuously claiming her to be but I reserve judgement. You are too dull and tedious for me to wasting time on.

Thecuddlymeoow · 03/10/2025 15:31

For people thinking im racist, tf im not. I know muslims, malaysia, my kid is also friends with a muslim girl in her class. I respect their beliefs but for me is more the overstepping. I have (said this many times..) no problem ln my child learning about different cultures. Thats jusr nice, but not trying to get her into it as a child. I don’t want my kid to hide herself over men lusting over her in such young age, just because her dad decided to marry a muslim. It should not get between our daughter, i want her to have the freedom to choose herself not someone trying to influence her into something

OP posts:
FrauPaige · 03/10/2025 15:35

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 15:11

This is useful practical advice except that it is clear that OP is not married to her ex.

In that case OP has sole parental custody - meaning she can decide everything.

Unless she signed an agreement giving him joint custody, in which case it is as I outlined above for a previously married couple.

It appears that he has his daughter on a regular schedule, so we should assume that he has joint custody unless @Thecuddlymeoow confirms otherwise.

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 15:35

SprayWhiteDung · 03/10/2025 15:26

Of course not, but this whole issue has clearly arisen out of OP's fears/concerns (some would say projections) about what somebody might (in her mind) do purely because she is a Muslim.

It would seem that, as far as OP sees it, if anybody shows the slightest sign of being a Muslim themselves, that's a sure sign that they will seek to force/aggressively proselytise any non-Muslims they possibly can.

Op did not express concern about all muslims. She clearly expressed concern about the new stepmum over stepping her boundaries and the specific issue of the hijab which is hugely problematic. Why do you feel the need to embellish this?

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 15:37

FrauPaige · 03/10/2025 15:35

In that case OP has sole parental custody - meaning she can decide everything.

Unless she signed an agreement giving him joint custody, in which case it is as I outlined above for a previously married couple.

It appears that he has his daughter on a regular schedule, so we should assume that he has joint custody unless @Thecuddlymeoow confirms otherwise.

Agree. I hope Op reads your helpful post.

FrauPaige · 03/10/2025 15:38

Thecuddlymeoow · 03/10/2025 15:31

For people thinking im racist, tf im not. I know muslims, malaysia, my kid is also friends with a muslim girl in her class. I respect their beliefs but for me is more the overstepping. I have (said this many times..) no problem ln my child learning about different cultures. Thats jusr nice, but not trying to get her into it as a child. I don’t want my kid to hide herself over men lusting over her in such young age, just because her dad decided to marry a muslim. It should not get between our daughter, i want her to have the freedom to choose herself not someone trying to influence her into something

I don't believe you actually want to resolve anything - you just want to vent.

Norwegian law is clear. This is a non-issue. Your focus ain't on your daughter.

SprayWhiteDung · 03/10/2025 15:38

ginasevern · 03/10/2025 15:27

Correct. And the OP's child isn't Muslim.

Does Islam work on a genetic basis too? I was always under the impression that, whilst Jewish is both a religion and a race, Muslim is only a religion.

Moreover, it's also possible to convert to Judaism (the faith), even if you are not genetically of Jewish racial heritage.

Even so, I'm pretty sure that, if OP's DD did decide to become a Muslim when she's an adult - as was briefly hinted at as a free-choice possibility by her SM - nobody would actually be barring her from being so and from identifying as 'a real Muslim'.

Burritoss · 03/10/2025 15:40

I don't think a step parent should push a religion one someone's else's DC. Parents however fair enough, but with both of them together.

SprayWhiteDung · 03/10/2025 15:44

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 15:35

Op did not express concern about all muslims. She clearly expressed concern about the new stepmum over stepping her boundaries and the specific issue of the hijab which is hugely problematic. Why do you feel the need to embellish this?

And yet she still doesn't seem to have told us how the SM has over-stepped her boundaries, apart from a whole load of panicked projection that many might think sounds very Islamophobic.

SprayWhiteDung · 03/10/2025 15:45

Burritoss · 03/10/2025 15:40

I don't think a step parent should push a religion one someone's else's DC. Parents however fair enough, but with both of them together.

I agree. And there's nothing in what OP has written to suggest that the SM has done that.

Burritoss · 03/10/2025 15:47

SprayWhiteDung · 03/10/2025 15:38

Does Islam work on a genetic basis too? I was always under the impression that, whilst Jewish is both a religion and a race, Muslim is only a religion.

Moreover, it's also possible to convert to Judaism (the faith), even if you are not genetically of Jewish racial heritage.

Even so, I'm pretty sure that, if OP's DD did decide to become a Muslim when she's an adult - as was briefly hinted at as a free-choice possibility by her SM - nobody would actually be barring her from being so and from identifying as 'a real Muslim'.

No. The way I understand it they say "everyone is born a Muslim". So if someone becomes a practicing Muslim later in life it's seen as "reverting". All you need to do to become Muslim is to accept the 5 pillars.

Hoppinggreen · 03/10/2025 15:47

ginasevern · 03/10/2025 15:25

I'm well aware that the hijab is cultural and not symbolic of Islam. We've all been told this a trillion times. I suggest someone tries to inform the vast majority of Muslims.

The vast majority of Muslims in The UK who don't wear it you mean?

BundleBoogie · 03/10/2025 15:53

SprayWhiteDung · 03/10/2025 15:04

Neither you nor I know what the circumstances were. We can surmise, but we can't assume that we know and then argue as though that is established fact.

To be honest, when an adult says "........when you're older", in my experience, that's often used as the equivalent of "Maybe later" - meaning that a child is badgering you about something and you're trying to kindly change the subject. For all we know, the girl might have been curious about her SM's scarf and asked questions, then wanted to know if she would get one too; and her SM tried to stop the questions by saying "If you want to when you're older" - which is surely a way of telling a child "Not now or anytime soon".

Also, I think we need to be realistic about what 'family' actually is in reality. She's living regularly, every other weekend, with her father and with her father's wife. That IS family, as I see it.

I know there are threads on here where a DIL is firmly put in her place by her DH's parents/siblings who make it clear that they see her as 'not really family', and she'll never be accepted - and it never seems to bring a lot of happiness. Family is much more than just shared genes.

You can treat her like a random person who just happens to lives with the family if you like - maybe like a servant or a nanny who strictly does their job and then withdraws to her own room or stands silently in the corner - but as her father's wife, I would personally say that she very much IS family. Ergo part of their family IS Muslim - because her father chose to marry a woman who is a Muslim and may or may not have converted to Islam himself as well.

Edited

The girl was not born into a Muslim family. That is clear. The exh new wife is bringing a new concept into the family and trying to influence her step daughter. She has no right to do so.

EasternStandard · 03/10/2025 15:58

Mildorado · 03/10/2025 15:20

Really? Most of the Muslims I know wear it, including many of the girls I teach. They tell me "it's a symbol of my faith".
Plus, it is enforced in many Islamic states.
So. A bit of a contradiction there?.

Yes I’m not sure where the pp is, what she writes is not the case here.

FrauPaige · 03/10/2025 16:00

BundleBoogie · 03/10/2025 15:53

The girl was not born into a Muslim family. That is clear. The exh new wife is bringing a new concept into the family and trying to influence her step daughter. She has no right to do so.

Incorrect. The father of the child has converted to Islam and married a muslim wife. He has the right to do anything he likes with the child when he has his daughter with him - go to an arcade, go karting, go to a mosque - whatever.

The step-mother is a red herring. Wind your neck in.

CaptainMyCaptain · 03/10/2025 16:07

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 13:54

A muslim (male or female) who takes part in a hindu marriage ceremony is an apostate and not a muslim in the eyes of any muslim community or court. The greatest sin in islam is shirk. Your friend may well have had a hindu marriage but she or he is no longer a muslim. One or the other but not both.

The family all seem to think she was but I didn't cross question her mother on it.

CaptainMyCaptain · 03/10/2025 16:10

miraxxx · 03/10/2025 14:05

I think you were being economical with the truth when you claimed she had both hindu and muslim wedding ceremonies. Please give me the name of any imam or mosque that would allow this. On any planet.

I don't know the name of the Iman, it was a work colleague, but I saw photos.

CaptainMyCaptain · 03/10/2025 16:14

BundleBoogie · 03/10/2025 14:04

None of my teenagers deliberately go against advice I have given them for their own wellbeing just to wind me up.

Maybe that’s a ‘you’ problem?

Plenty do though. I did. My own daughter didn't because I didn't lay down the law in that way.

StewkeyBlue · 03/10/2025 16:16

FrauPaige · 03/10/2025 16:00

Incorrect. The father of the child has converted to Islam and married a muslim wife. He has the right to do anything he likes with the child when he has his daughter with him - go to an arcade, go karting, go to a mosque - whatever.

The step-mother is a red herring. Wind your neck in.

We do not know that the father has converted to Islam.

The OP does not know if the father has converted to Islam.

In London I know several Muslim women married to non Muslim men. They fall in love, have liberal, tolerant, open minded views about respecting what others believe / and or navigate family hysterics and go to the registry office.

In my own extended family there is a couple one Hindu, one Muslim - they got married in a registry office. Amidst family hysterics at the time but all friendly now.

People engage with and observe different aspects of religion and culture, and you can't always accurately wok out where religion ends and culture begins.

FrauPaige · 03/10/2025 16:21

StewkeyBlue · 03/10/2025 16:16

We do not know that the father has converted to Islam.

The OP does not know if the father has converted to Islam.

In London I know several Muslim women married to non Muslim men. They fall in love, have liberal, tolerant, open minded views about respecting what others believe / and or navigate family hysterics and go to the registry office.

In my own extended family there is a couple one Hindu, one Muslim - they got married in a registry office. Amidst family hysterics at the time but all friendly now.

People engage with and observe different aspects of religion and culture, and you can't always accurately wok out where religion ends and culture begins.

There are a lot of things the OP doesn't know. But I'm willing to try again to accommodate the unlikely scenario that this man has a practising Muslim wife wearing the hijab but he himself has not converted.

"The father of the child has married a woman. He has the right to do anything he likes with his child when he has his daughter with him - go to an arcade, go karting, go to a mosque - whatever.

The step-mother is a red herring."

Better now?

Calliecarpa · 03/10/2025 16:27

ginasevern · 03/10/2025 14:20

If the OP was Muslim and objecting to her daughter wearing something symbolic of another faith, I expect the replies would validate her concerns almost 100%. At the very least posters would not be piling on with such gusto to accuse her of being appallingly closed minded to other beliefs and cultures. I suspect they wouldn't dare. Has Islam become the definitive badge for the virtue signalling white middle class?

Yes, I also couldn't help wondering how the thread might have gone if the OP was Muslim and was asking about a Catholic, say, who had told the OP's young child that she can wear a cross and convert from Islam to Catholicism if she wants to when she's older. Whether PP would be nodding along quite so approvingly about the joys of religious choice and converting to another religion.

LadyoftheMercians · 03/10/2025 16:34

ginasevern · 03/10/2025 14:20

If the OP was Muslim and objecting to her daughter wearing something symbolic of another faith, I expect the replies would validate her concerns almost 100%. At the very least posters would not be piling on with such gusto to accuse her of being appallingly closed minded to other beliefs and cultures. I suspect they wouldn't dare. Has Islam become the definitive badge for the virtue signalling white middle class?

But she's not wearing it though is she?

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