To think that if you commit a male crime, you should do male time, even if you identify as a woman?

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I know this is a sensitive topic but I’ve been thinking about how justice systems handle trans women who commit serious crimes, especially violent or sexual offences, and whether it’s fair to house them in women’s prisons. To me, if you were born male and commit a crime typically associated with male offenders, particularly one involving violence against women, it seems like common sense that you should serve time in a male facility. Identity doesn’t erase biology or risk in those cases.

AIBU to think fairness and safety, especially for vulnerable female prisoners, should come before ideology?

Men need to stay away from any women’s spaces be it prisons, toilets, changing rooms, shelters etc.

Exactly my point. I just wanted the poster who claimed men should be put into female prisons because they claim to be women to explain exactly why, and to give a definition of woman.

Absolutely. Even if it’s ‘only’ white collar crime. Off to the male estate with you!

since when where crimes categorized as male and female crimes

Definitely Many other types of men are also vulnerable in male prisons. Not one belongs in the female estate. However pretty the dress or how thick the makeup is.

Well only males can rape. So there’s that. Apart from that it’s more males committing sexual offences and females committing more fraud and theft. But the debate is on prisons not crime. We don’t segregate by crime.

@ScreamingabdabzI like your quote ‘an eccentricity to be tolerated, but now has gone too far’.

That’s what so-called ‘old school transsexual used to be considered.

If you are XX you go to female facility. If you are XY you go to male facility. Simple logic.

No man "passes" in real life.
No man however he identifies should be in a women prison regardless of his crime.
Women are not a shield for men who have cosmetic surgery or take cross sex hormones
Women have human rights too and 1 of those is not being locked up with men
All men should be catered for in male prisons
@blankcanvas3 why do you think men should have more rights than women?

The men in the trans wing at Downview women’s prison aren’t kept separate. They get to spend time with the women.

Without getting into the debate about whether trans women “should” be allowed in women’s prisons, I think the question is poorly framed since there is no “male crime” I can think of. A woman can commit a rape, within the statutory definition of the crime. It’s not an exclusively “male” crime.

Wrong there's at least 12 in Scottish prisons, plus more in Northern Ireland.
All men with a GRC are automatically put in women's jails now and they're number is not released.
The trans wing is in a female prison and the men are allowed to mix with the women, they are supposed to be supervised with a 1-to-1 ratio of guards to male prisoners but the jail has admitted that they dont have the staff so don't.
In Scotland even sex offenders can be placed on a women's wing "as long as they don't pose an unacceptable risk" yet the SPS and Scottish government refuse to say what they class as an acceptable risk to women.
All men regardless of grc status and surgery or medication (hormones etc) should be on the male estate. Allowing men on the women's estate is contrary to all international laws.

people can’t change sex.

A man in a dress, with makeup, long hair, whose had cosmetic modification is still a man.

Men belonging men’s spaces. It is not a woman problem to solve.

The phrase used was passing as. This means ‘seeming to be’, or similar. Whatever your view on biological sex and gender identity, the poster didn’t say ‘has become’.

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No there's not none pass ever

Where’s that gif of Gandalf when you need it??

Never mind!

You know exactly what she means. Rape is penetrative with a penis.

No, rape is penetration by a penis, body part, or object. Reductive debates like this, based on erroneous concepts of “male/female crimes” help no one.

Not in the UK. Here rape is specifically defined as involving a penis.

Noone is "intersex" that offensive misnomer was ditched 30+ years ago the correct term is DSD (Difference in Sexual Development)
Roughly 0.17% of the global population have a DSD not the 1.7% claimed by some activist by including women with polly cystic ovaries which is not a DSD.
Everyone with a DSD is male or female
People with DSDs and their charities have repeatedly asked not to be lumped in with the LGBTQ++ and not to have their medical conditions used as some sort of gotcha or as proof of sex as a spectrum as its false and offensive.
So please stop using these people to prop up your ideology and most of all please stop using the term intersex

You don’t need to worry.

The policy is now that ANY male-born trans who is convicted of a violent or sexual offence goes to a men’s prison and that ANY prisoner (convicted of ANY offence) who has intact male genitalia goes to a
men’s prison.

So the only ones who are left are a handful who have “had the surgery” and were
convicted of non violent and non sexual offences.

And even those are segregated from
biological female prisoners.

There was something to worry about a few years ago.

Fortunately no longer.

This is very simple for me. Born with XX, you go to a female prison. XY, you go to a men’s one. Don’t care if you’ve been transitioning for 20 minutes or 20 years.

You can mess around with your gender if you want, of course, but your sex is what it is and will never change.

Just like you can dye your naturally blonde hair black. What colour are the roots that come in?

It’s really not complicated 🙄

Men remain men regardless of how they identify. I don’t care how long he’s been pretending to be a woman. He belongs in male spaces.

What about assault by penetration? A trans woman, who has no penis, commits the offence by digitally penetrating a woman without her consent. A woman who is not a trans woman can also commit the same offence in England.

Or perhaps the OP’s argument is that there should be prisons dedicated only to housing trans women convicted of rape? It is obvious why such a solution would not be a pragmatic use of public funds: the number of actual or potential occupants would be very small, while the expense required to build and maintain such a facility would be very large.