To think that if you commit a male crime, you should do male time, even if you identify as a woman?

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I know this is a sensitive topic but I’ve been thinking about how justice systems handle trans women who commit serious crimes, especially violent or sexual offences, and whether it’s fair to house them in women’s prisons. To me, if you were born male and commit a crime typically associated with male offenders, particularly one involving violence against women, it seems like common sense that you should serve time in a male facility. Identity doesn’t erase biology or risk in those cases.

AIBU to think fairness and safety, especially for vulnerable female prisoners, should come before ideology?

If they don't commit crimes the issue will never arise.

There we go. Solved.

If a crime is commited by a man, it doesn't matter whether it is typically a 'male' crime, then he serves his sentence in a male prison.

It doesn't matter which ones are trans on TikTok.

The real world is a different place, however.

In any case, if you have committed a crime the police will know what sex you are because they will have your DNA on the database.

If that crime is rape, your victim will also know fine well what sex you are.

Tik Tok?
Don't be ridiculous 🙄

That this could even be a topic of conversation shows how much society has lost its way. If I turned up at Australian customs identifying as a trans Australian asking to live in Australia they’d tell me to gtf but weirdly
if I was a paedophile
identifying as trans I’d get a lenient sentence for my crimes. The world
is upside down.

In total agreement

It’s not complicated. Only befuddled idiocy and illogic makes it ‘complicated’. People can’t change sex. If men are committing crimes they have to be accommodated by their biological sex. If their befuddled ‘identity’ makes them vulnerable to attack then that’s for the prison to sort out. Not for women’s bodies to be a human shield.

Well that's that then.

Well, quite. And how a man "identities" is immaterial.

I’d say the last one with the incredibly heavy filters and inch of makeup.

How do we tell the difference between men pretending they are women and men who are pretending, to pretend to be woman...🤔

I've often heard people ask believers of this ideology 'what is a woman'. But I think a more effective question is, what is the difference between a man and a transwoman.

Well nothing really..I can think of anything.

Everybody seems so smugly sure of everything. Am I the only person in the world who's heard of various chromosomal conditions (which occur in a significant proportion of the general population) in which people are genuinely intersex, or who present as "male" or "female" even as far as their genitals but are actually, chromosomally, the other sex? Am I the only person in the world who knows that some people (not necessarily people suffering from gender dysphoria) are genuinely androgynous in appearance and it is bloody difficult to tell from the outside if they are male or female?

Males in male prisons, no ifs or buts.

No, you are not the only person in the world who thinks this, but you are wrong and so are they. There is no such thing as intersex, just people with DSDs. An androgynous looking person is still a male or a female, how you look or present doesn’t change your sex.

Edit: Added a bit more text for clarification.

I think you're late to the party because most of us here know more about DSD's and chromosomes than we ever would have dreamed.

Lots of men are in danger in male prisons - effeminate men, those with MH or learning difficulties, physically disabled prisoners, former police officers, paedophiles. Where they cannot be kept safe they are separated from other inmates into vulnerable prisoner sections of prisons. Transwomen belong in the same separated space.

Also, a biological man is a biological man. A biological man who identifies as not a man does not have a DSD, he is at best mentally unwell and at worst a predator.

Don't women get more time for less violent crimes though? Women get years for shoplifting or not paying electric, men get that for a violent rape...it's how it goes.

The MRA's are quick to tell us that biological men who identify as not men housed in the female estate are keep separate from women. So why not house them in the male estate and keep them separate from the other men. Then they can all be women together and use correct pronouns.

Errrr yes. Yes you are the only person who can’t tell a male from a female. Please do research on people with DSD before trying to use them as a gotchs. You just look ignorant and dumb

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Keep up. DSDs have been discussed at length on here. Every single human is either male or female. They stopped testing trans people for DSDs as it was very clear there is no link whatsoever. Transwomen are unambiguously men.

So at what point does a man become a woman? Is it when he puts on a dress or when he just says “I’m a woman”. If men can be women, what is a woman? Without using outdated and regressive stereotypes, please explain how a man will know he’s a woman? We would need this so we can determine which males are genuinely pretending to be women and which males are pretending to be pretending to be women. Without a clear definition of woman, how do we eliminate those people pretending to be trans for nefarious reasons?

You may be the only person in the world who still thinks this is a good argument.

As pp have said, it’s not complicated.

If you were born with female chromosomes and a vagina, you're female.
If you were born with a penis and male chromosomes you're a man.

A man pretending to pretend he’s a woman or just pretending to be a woman is still a man.
Men can “identify” all they like.It will NEVER make them a woman.
At most, he can just pretend, which is fine if it makes him happy but should never expect to be allowed to invade Women Only spaces because at the end of the day he’s still a bloke !