To find it shocking how brazen people are with their hatred of refugees?

[GreenFairy93]

Another day, another Facebook post calling for the army to be bought in to stop the boats. Another comment section full of people shouting "sink the boats!" "Use as much force as necessary to stop them!"

There are women and children on these boats and people are brazenly calling for force to be used against them and for them to be sunk, with pictures of their faces next to their comments. Not an ounce of shame. And there's hundreds of them.

I just find it absolutely abhorrent and honestly, really upsetting that so many people have dehumanised asylum seekers to the point they have absolutely no compassion in their hearts to the point they are publicly calling for harm to come to families fleeing war.

AIBU to be shocked that people think this is ok now?

But there are legal routes for economic migration, which don’t involve the taxpayer having to support the individual 🤯

Someone asked me about economic migration specifically. I answered.

What’s your problem now 😂

Please refer back to the core British values that the poster listed and answer their point about their erosion. Otherwise your whole post is just “oh wow, attack, belittle, don’t address the point”. We see this so often it is very dull, and it is used as a tool to deliberately suppress debate.

Go on, have a go at addressing the point about erosion of British values (that the poster is allowed to value in case you were in any doubt)…

They’re not illegal migrants.

Wrong link. I guess building houses for asylum seekers is preferable?
https://www.countytimes.co.uk/news/25229261.powys-cabinet-backs-role-home-office-asylum-housing-pilot/

Hands up, you got me. In my haste to respond to your hideous use of language, I used “origin” instead of “connotation”. Can’t even blame autocorrect, just meno brain-fart.

Context is everything. Obviously if a person called a black person a spade that would be racist but to use the expression to call a spade a spade when talking about a person who says it like it is ie, plain speaking is not racist.

The previous poster referred to many being economic migrants not asylum seekers, and you didn’t dispute that they were indeed economic migrants, and went on to support economic miration.

Sorry, my fault, Illegal Immigrant.

An "illegal immigrant" refers to a person who has entered or remains in a country without the necessary legal authorisation.

Or is The Migration Observatory for the University of Oxford lying?

I did notice you’d given more examples.

As the proud owner of a severely autistic child, I couldn’t be less offended by the word retard.

I’m aware that it has medical origins, before anyone was offended by it, and words are just that - words. They all start somewhere, and it’s a choice to be offended by them.

See also mong, or moron.

Okay I’ll summarise.

So what if they’re actually people searching for a better life. They’ll either get granted to have one, or they won’t.

If they do - good. They’ll then contribute to the country by working to get that better life, and will be better off themselves. Win/win.

This, they are not refugees at all, they have travelled through numerous countries where they could have stayed to get here.
They should be sent straight back, no messing no arguing, if they still want to come they should use the legal application channels and then see how they get on!

£9.95 per week I believe.

Most of these young men cannot afford to rent their own house or flat once they leave supported accommodation. Presumably you are happy for an HMO next door to you?

I was discussing the fact that a poster said the term had racist origins, which it does not.

No of course not. And I’ve not said that all asylum seekers are sexual predators. Some of them are, just like some of them are economic migrants rather than escaping persecution. And I don’t doubt that some are entitled to a better life. My argument is that we can’t accommodate them. I’m old enough so see how our public services have declined over the last decade, in part due to the numbers of people we have living here. I agree that’s also due to lack of investment, but that’s happened, and here we are. Our infrastructure has all but collapsed. That’s no fault of the those wanting to settle here, as it’s no fault of people already here. But we can’t simply just shrug our shoulders and continue to welcome people onto a sinking ship. We have to start putting the interests of people already here first. That means pausing immigration and refugees whilst we sort out this shit show.

Are they entering via a verified port and presenting their passports and documents to UK border force? I think not

There are no legal channels. I think that’s the issue at the heart of those disagreeing with the stopping of the asylum seekers on boats. And I don’t see how we can implement a legal route without pouring billions of pounds into something when we’re already dealing with a financial black hole. Plus it’s not something the electorate have an appetite for when there are so many other things here in the UK that we need to invest money into first. Maybe we need some offshore processing centre, where asylum applications can be processed before they touch foot here, but I’m not sure that would halt the people already trying to come. via the channel, if they are indeed economic rather than genuinely escaping danger.

Yeah, don’t see why not?

I wouldn’t know the specific identity of anyone who lived down the road, so not sure why it would matter if they were born somewhere else or when they arrived etc.

And how do you know that they will contribute to the country. Some are unskilled, don’t speak English, end up homeless, turn to crime. We have enough of these people here already. Why would we want more. The chances are that people with no skills or/and who don’t speak English are going to be exploited or will take out more than they put in. That’s the reality.

There’s at least one thread a day about how shocked someone is about the level of hatred for refugees and immigrants, even legal ones.

Are people genuinely shocked by this? How can you be? You can’t open any social media without seeing racism or hatred towards them these days and it’s not a new thing.

Okay, I’ll summarise. If they are economic migrants they are, by default, illegal immigrants. There are legal routes, which millions of people (including your good-self) use. Why are they special?

Yeah, don’t see why not?

Great, what sort of property do you have next door? Owned or rented? Perhaps local councils could set up some sort of register of interested neighbours. Are you aware of any HMOs in your street at the moment?

Hideous use of language!? To call a spade a spade!?

You've totally lost it. As confident wanting the government to have full access to all our bank accounts and go full authoritian state on pensioners.

What an extreme reaction to seeing an asylum seeker behave a deliveroo!

I am utterly shocked that 48% think it's unreasonable to find it upsetting that people are brazen enough to call for boats of refugees to be sunk by the armed forces.

I lost faith in humanity today.

I've heard that the boats and life jackets are sent back to France and they are reused time and time again. Obviously I don't know if this is true. If the governments want to reduce or stop this happening then surely they should impound the equipment and stop it at source.