To find it shocking how brazen people are with their hatred of refugees?

[GreenFairy93]

Another day, another Facebook post calling for the army to be bought in to stop the boats. Another comment section full of people shouting "sink the boats!" "Use as much force as necessary to stop them!"

There are women and children on these boats and people are brazenly calling for force to be used against them and for them to be sunk, with pictures of their faces next to their comments. Not an ounce of shame. And there's hundreds of them.

I just find it absolutely abhorrent and honestly, really upsetting that so many people have dehumanised asylum seekers to the point they have absolutely no compassion in their hearts to the point they are publicly calling for harm to come to families fleeing war.

AIBU to be shocked that people think this is ok now?

Done to death.

No, but I'm afraid this thread will attract racist posters like a honeypot attracts bees. They will all pile on with their usual racist tropes.

Have your bingo cards at the ready.

I think the issue is that most aren’t women and children asylum seekers fleeing war, but young adult men travelling alone as economic migrants.

People typically have empathy for the former, not so much for the latter.

I agree, those posts are very unpleasant and de-humanising. However, I think many people are posting like that due to exasperation rather than real desire for the boats to be literally blown out of the water by the Royal Navy. The issue is that the Government are unwilling to make the UK an undesirable place for migrants, so they continue to come in their droves

And France isn’t a war-zone… so the excuse that they’re fleeing one (even if they did originally) wears thin.

Using the navy or firing at the boats would be a bad idea. The channel is one of the worlds busiest shipping lanes and this would endanger legitimate shipping. The answer is to make it a lot more unpleasant for them when they enter illegally. Australia has the answer.

Borne out of frustration I’m afraid. It’s nothing personal against individual people trying to flee danger but rather a growing anger at how we treat our own citizens versus people who are arriving illegally and have not paid into our system. Tougher laws needed unfortunately

Feel free to move along then.

I can't say that I've found that talking with friends and colleagues. Facebook seems to be where all the racists congregate these days.

Agree with pp, our local Facebook page is full of this. Always the same people posting. A few are well known local business owners, I knew nothing about their awful opinions before but now I do, I have boycotted their business and I know many others have, too.

I agree I can’t look at Facebook due to the comments I’m seeing but not really hearing the same in real life. Most people I speak to seem to be somewhere in the middle.

Spot on.

i don’t call for violence and aggression towards the boats and those boats on them,

i, like many want to see the influx of people entering the country on boats stopped -

'There are women and children on these boats'

They are not women and children, these illegal immigrants are mostly young men.

Of course we need to stop it, every country has entry requirements you can't just pitch up to the US or Australia without a passport and visa.

Any hatred that you've allegedly witnessed is not ok but most people just have huge concerns about hundreds of unidentified men entering the country illegally every day.

Refugees or economic migrants are preferable because they actually contribute to the economy as oppose to the racist work shy on those pages.

Strange was watching something on the tv questioning the SNP about migrants and they said something like they are good for the economy. It got me thinking like is part of that going to enable people not to work because migrants will pay taxes ?

People are frustrated. Lots of people can’t get accommodation or a Gp appointment and are living hand to mouth. Council is bankrupt etc.

I have lots of sympathy for migrants but the reality is the world is a mess tens of millions possibly hundreds of millions would qualify for asylum under current rules. We cant afford it so have to draw a line somewhere.

Really what we are witnessing is the ending of the power of the West in lots of ways. Many migrants originate from areas of conflict and famine in Africa. There has been a fall in democracies with an increase in might makes right military coups. Increasingly soft power has moved to China and I don’t think they give a fuck sbout human rights tbh. With the slashing of aid budgets it just all gets worse and will increase the flow of migrants.

Most countries in the world are increasingly anti migrant even those traditionally tolerant. Countries like Sweden, Germany, Egypt are all a bit fuck off we are full. In that global environment you also hsve to be tough otherwise you’ll be overwhelmed.

Really it’d be more cost efficient to focus support on the many migrants in neighbouring countries. UN spends a dollar a day per Sudanese migrant in Chad for example.

Surely if someone could make a legit contribution to the economy they would enter the country legally ?

Maybe if the refugees were housed in affluent areas so that already disadvantaged communities didn't feel the extra pressure on their already limited resources, it might make them less noticed

It constantly shocks me that humans aren’t treated with humanity.

If the people who hates the “migrants” needed refuge, they’d expect it and be shocked not to be welcomed - they’d be shocked to be resented, in fact.

No country “belongs” to anyone. If another human needs help, even if that’s economic help as they can’t get work to support their family where they came from, they should come somewhere safe and get help.

Anyway, above are the people who you’re shocked have these opinions! But this is Mumsnet after all. One glance at the “feminism” board or even the threads about Charlie Kirk show you how lots of users of this site really think.

I cannot understand why the people who resent those who have nothing and are arriving on boats don’t resent billionaires instead. They’re the ones hogging all the resources.

It's infested with racists and xenophobes and this site is going the same way. I'm well past being shocked now.

Some of the local business owners on my local Next Door site are the same. Perhaps they think their behaviour enhances their business profile.

It’s not all or nothing -
hate the billionaires or hate the small boats …

it’s not about inhumanity

its about recognising that accommodating those from less fortunate countries is not a viable sustainable solution

there’s an economic political and human bigger picture here -

It’s complicated becuase the system is unfair.

This picture sums up my point:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/s/LfpPZBGkLl

Since most of them (65%) are granted asylum, then oddly, they do appear to be asylum seekers. War is not the only reason to seek asylum either.

You are quite welcome to lobby for a tax on billionaires to pay for an international safe zone to temporarily house them until they can go back home.

You can also lobby for a voluntary tax that individuals such as yourself can pay to support those that come. We take a number based on those willing to pay for them.

You're literally doing the same thing! Telling ordinary folks that they have to hand over their "cookie" to fund your utopia instead of the billionaire and calling them names when they want to keep it for their own family