To find it shocking how brazen people are with their hatred of refugees?

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Another day, another Facebook post calling for the army to be bought in to stop the boats. Another comment section full of people shouting "sink the boats!" "Use as much force as necessary to stop them!"

There are women and children on these boats and people are brazenly calling for force to be used against them and for them to be sunk, with pictures of their faces next to their comments. Not an ounce of shame. And there's hundreds of them.

I just find it absolutely abhorrent and honestly, really upsetting that so many people have dehumanised asylum seekers to the point they have absolutely no compassion in their hearts to the point they are publicly calling for harm to come to families fleeing war.

AIBU to be shocked that people think this is ok now?

And lets deal with the housing associations who are knowingly housing drug dealers

It’s in the pipeline.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/cost-of-living/dwp-confirms-start-date-monitoring-31872721

Not everyone agrees.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Call-Spade-Classical-International-Folkloristics/dp/0820461768#:~:text=A%20significant%20chapter%20shows%20how,slur%20in%20the%20written%20media.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763/is-it-racist-to-call-a-spade-a-spade

I guess your Google has a different algorithm. Not everyone agrees.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Call-Spade-Classical-International-Folkloristics/dp/0820461768#:~:text=A%20significant%20chapter%20shows%20how,slur%20in%20the%20written%20media.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763/is-it-racist-to-call-a-spade-a-spade

Well, if we're being specific, none.

https://www.countytimes.co.uk/news/25408246.home-office-says-no-asylum-seekers-kept-hotels-powys/

Nobody’s getting £9; they're getting accommodation, heating, water, food, medical and dental provision, AND pocket money on top, and we don’t even know who they are!

We’re a family of 3, and I can confirm that my house has food, utilities etc etc.

We need more than £27 disposable income. So do you, I’d imagine.

That weekly allowance doesn’t cover travel, btw, just checked the HO. So bus fare, toiletries and a drink for your kids? God knows, like most people I have not tried to live off £9.

I think it's fine to allow scrutiny of those who are reliant on the public purse - and I include pensioners in that.

Have you not just given a link to prove its origins are not racist?
Just because some people decided to take offence to the phrase doesn't change its origins.
And also, just because someone if offended does not make them right.

Not yet.
”The report is to seek Cabinet approval for the Council to work with the Home Office and its agent Clearsprings. The request is initially for six private family sized homes to be secured in Powys for asylum seekers. These properties would be sourced and managed on behalf of the Home Office by Clearsprings.”
powys.moderngov.co.uk/mgAi.aspx?ID=28979

actually scrap that - I'm okay with everyone having their finances scrutinised - mine included.

That way we could catch the tax evaders and those doing everything they can to hide their assets from their wives etc.

From classical phrase to racist slur. You can see that on the front page, yeah?

You’ve just sent me a book that proves what I said.

It did not originate as a racist slur. Which is what you said, and I disputed saying its origins are in classic Greek.

But thank you, for evidencing that I’d found the right information all along.

Some of them are just economic migrants though. Not asylum seekers.

From news reports:

Phil Douglas said his officers had been left shocked when carrying out exit checks on people leaving the UK.
LBC got an exclusive look behind the scenes at how Border Force operates at Luton airport - one of the busiest for Eastern European airlines in the run up to Christmas.
He said: "We do find a lot of people who have claimed asylum in this country, and are heading back to their own country for holidays, which obviously isn't allowed."
Home Secretary James Cleverly told LBC that some of those coming to the UK are economic migrants who are seeking a better life.

If they have children, they get more money. Most of the single young men which people overwhelmingly object to, do not bring children.

Asylum seekers get free travel for necessary appointments. Scotland is introducing free travel next year. Various local schemes already exist for asylum seekers, but not for people already here and poor.

Plenty of British families have less than £36 per month per person disposable income. Some even have to feed themselves for less, there are plenty of threads on here.

I take no issue with economic migration either.

My family migrated here, for a better life. Admittedly “only” from Ireland, but I am still the product of economic migration, it would be hypocritical of me to be offended that others do the same.

Their getting a better life, usually involves work or study, which puts in to the system and supports our economy, higher education system and workplaces.

Plenty of offensive terms had innocent origins, but the recent use of those terms is what matters in current conversations.

There’s an N word which simply means black in Spanish, and is unacceptable in any context other than a Spanish speaker referring to a colour.

Similarly, see retarded, unless you're discussing engine timing.

They get £9 per person, if accommodation and food are covered by the HO. I can assure you my kids cost me more than £9.

I'm no more frightened of a young man who’s just stepped off a boat, than I am of a young man who lives next door.

And some are getting quite "creative" -

https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/crime/asylum-seekers-running-illegal-porn-business-in-metropole-hotel-5233571

I don’t think anyone is lumping them all in together but we already know that some are dangerous criminals as some have already committed rape of murder, not to mention the sexual harassment of schoolgirls etc.

Some have been caught going home for holidays - that is not the action of the genuine refugee fleeing for his life.

As people constantly point out, we have enough home grown feckless men, we don’t need more.

So why don't you take him into your house and save the taxpayer a bit of money?

Nonsense argument.

I’ve never laid a road either, or built a hospital. I have taught in a school, I’ve never self funded one.

I pay a lot of tax so those things, including immigration and benefits, is sorted by the people I pay that tax to.

It is the responsibility of the government to house asylum seekers, and we pay them to do that through taxation.

Benefit fraud is a crime though, with a Suspect, it will be a criminal investigation, it won't be every person in receipt of benefits having their accounts scrutinised as that would not be proportionate or compliant with data privacy laws.

I have posted this before but I was watching a news item on my local news channel about the boat crossings and they had sent a reporter to Calais. It showed a boat crammed with young men. A young woman was trying to get on there but the men on the boat wouldn't let her and were shoving her into the water. There was also a man with his two children, one of whom was on his shoulders, he also had his wife with him. The men wouldn't let them on there either. His children were crying and obviously distressed.

These men only care about themselves. Having said that nobody on this thread has said that these men deserve to be fired at by the Navy, that would be a disgusting thing to say. Like I said before that is the extreme reaction that you get on Facebook, but these crossings do need to stop as they are dangerous.

That's from 2021 and it was a report, not even a proposal that had been given the go-ahead. It also seems to be a proposition relating to dedicated housing, not hotels. As you will see from the August 2025 news report I posted, there are no asylum seekers housed in hotels in Powys or the surrounding counties. They are, the report points out, concentrated in London boroughs. The concern about this issue in places such as Powys comes not from personal experience but from other sources, including the slanted media reporting of this issue.

You said it had racist origins. It’s been proven by me, other posters, and yourself that it doesn’t.

Backtracking and changing the point you’re making, won’t change that.