To find it shocking how brazen people are with their hatred of refugees?

[GreenFairy93]

Another day, another Facebook post calling for the army to be bought in to stop the boats. Another comment section full of people shouting "sink the boats!" "Use as much force as necessary to stop them!"

There are women and children on these boats and people are brazenly calling for force to be used against them and for them to be sunk, with pictures of their faces next to their comments. Not an ounce of shame. And there's hundreds of them.

I just find it absolutely abhorrent and honestly, really upsetting that so many people have dehumanised asylum seekers to the point they have absolutely no compassion in their hearts to the point they are publicly calling for harm to come to families fleeing war.

AIBU to be shocked that people think this is ok now?

On the whole, they don’t, other than keeping immigration lawyers in Legal Aid payments. HTH.

“Refugees have lower qualifications and employment rates than the UK born
The data show that people who come to the UK to seek asylum tend to have lower levels of education compared to other migrants and the UK-born population (Figure 14). While around 16% hold high-level qualifications (NQF Level 6 and above), such as university degrees, a significant 30% have no formal qualifications – compared to just 8% among the UK born.

Research on resettled refugees indicates that employment rates are low. Similarly, labour market data on people who report arriving in the UK seeking protection find lower employment rates than among the UK born, with a particularly large gap among women (Figure 14). Several factors contribute to this trend, including low English proficiency and chronic health conditions. For those who arrive in the UK spontaneously (i.e., not through resettlement programmes), there is evidence that prolonged waiting periods during the asylum process can also hinder career progression.”

There absolutely are not women and children on these boats as you well know. Barely any women and children cross the channel on boats. Barely any apply for asylum in France. Emotive and disingenuous comments like that are what get people backs up. These are thousands of young men who are not fleeing anything in France. They are coming here for economic reasons. I’ve been waiting six years for NHS treatment. I’m still waiting. If I come over on a boat I can access that same treatment without having to wait six years.

The high number of those granted does not prove they are legitimate asylum seekers. Only that some are. Some will have been coached in reasons they can use to gain asylum by the traffickers including homosexuality and conversion to Christianity which they would be persecuted for. Others will lie and their story will be untrue but unable to be disproven. Having worked as a foster carer who had a high proportion of men claiming to be children on our books countrywide I am very cynical about the system.

Nope - I am not telling “ordinary people” to hand over their cookie. I’m saying they deserve the chance to earn a cookie of their own. They aren’t “taking anyone’s jobs away”, they’re not coming here and stealing.

And yes, the billionaires should be forced to share, no one should become a billionaire - it’s a gross hogging of too many resources. But they have all the power and control and get away with whatever they want.

Why aren’t people angry about that instead? It’s preposterous.

What evidence do you have that asylum seekers can access these NHS interventions immediately?

I’m much more shocked by the hatred of Charlie Kirk, who really didn’t harass or molest anyone’s daughters, or sap the economy at all.

The average person isn’t legally qualified to determine who is ‘illegal’ and who isn’t. Seeking asylum isn’t illegal either.

Most of them are just racist and want to discriminate against anyone who isn’t white hence why migrants are preferred over the hatred spewing lot.

Of course they are taking somebody else’s cookie; they don't arrive here with their own cookies to support themselves.

People seem to feel free to air their openly racist views anywhere now. I had to leave a class whatsapp group recently because of the offensive messages.

Asylum seekers aren't allowed to work so of course they have to be supported by someone. So that "cookie" is the pressure on infrastructure, health care and other resources.

Billionaires whilst hogging resources also create jobs and pay taxes.

Its all very well pretending to have the upper hand on morals but where does it stop? How many do we have to take? Wars have raged for centuries and will always exist forever. This will never end despite your fantasy of a peaceful world

You're only being unreasonable because you're still shocked by it tbh.
The thick, illiterate, knuckle draggers are actually planning a 'march' in my nearest city today, that they have planned will culminate, in a demo outside a home that is housing unaccompanied child refugees.
They are all over the local FB page claiming they're not children, they're all in their twenties and thirties and just lying. The home has been opened with the input of the local council as well as having consultation with the residents nearby (it's been there for sometime with no issues whatsoever, I suspect a large number of the agitators are in no way local). The police and council officials are having to now get involved to protect the area so these morons can't get too close. The local councillor has taken to FB to beg them to reconsider, assuring them that she is working with the staff at the home and can confirm they most certainly are children and not YA pretending to be children.
I don't think having concerns about uncontrolled immigration is inherently racist, I also don't think there is anything wrong with being patriotic.
This is neither of those two things.

Nice copy and paste job. They’re not allowed to work under the current law because of the refugee status however eventually end up doing the jobs that the unemployed, benefit claiming and universal credit dependent lot refuse to do.

So basically they are liars but they can't be proven to be lying? Sounds like they will fit right in, given the posts on MN these days.

I don't think people actually hate individual illegal immigrants. I think it's to do with the fact that vast numbers of people appear in boats, having travelled through at least, one safe country, and continued their journey to the UK. We know very little about these people, we do not know if they are escaping in fear of their lives, persecution, imprisonment, or just to get a more lucrative life. Or, if they are sent by a malevolent regime looking to infiltrate and undermine. It is reported that these people are given somewhere to live, food, healthcare and other things that some of the population don't have. I believe that it is the situation that the population are not happy with, not the individuals per se. Although saying that, if the stories of criminal behaviour being almost overlooked, are to be believed, then I think things will get worse before they get better.

Another day, another thread on this topic, when everything the is to say has been said elsewhere.

No one is going to change their minds on this subject.

Those in favour of immigration enjoy feeling virtuous and morally superior. It makes them feel good. And talk is cheap; it’s easy for them to talk the talk, because they don’t have to walk the walk.

They don’t have to live with the negative consequences of their virtue signalling. Immigration for them means cheap nannies, cheap domestic help, a underclass of cheap foreign labour they can exploit, exciting ethnic restaurants where they boast how cultured and cosmopolitan they are. They live in nice areas and the children attend good schools, in no danger of being assaulted or raped. These people are insulated by wealth. There’s no downside.

Those who have to live with the negative consequences are told to shut up, pipe down, and everything would work out beautifully if they’d just be quiet and stop drawing attention to the problems. These people can’t move away from the areas where asylum seekers are housed. Their children are in state schools with children who don’t speak English as a first language, taught by teachers who also don’t have a high level of language skill. They can’t afford to eat in these restaurants, or employ cheap labour - they’re in direct competition with these new arrivals for their jobs. Their children are vulnerable to those who hold differing cultural values.

One group has all the advantages, all the benefits, and punishes the other group for trying to speak up about their problems and the fundamental unfairness of it. They don’t want to know - and if they do realise it, they don’t much care.

So….kill them?!

No one hates them as such. They hate their actions. I think you know this, OP.

It’s far more efficient to C&P than type it all out again…

Yup, because we absolutely needed 15000 Uber Eats riders, they are definitely filling a gap 🙄 Or maybe somebody profits from creating cheap crap jobs that nobody in their right mind wants to do, but are happy to benefit from?

Obviously there ARE children on these boats as two of them died at sea a couple of weeks ago. I’m not generally shocked by racism any more (not even here on mumsnet), but I was shocked by the laughing emojis and comments on that news story on social media.
You could explain that the majority of people coming on boats are men because they don’t want to put their wives and children at further risk, so they come first and once they have asylum, try to get their families over safely. But the racists don’t want to hear it so it’s pointless. Empathy is sadly lacking in many

So we're not allowed to criticise or question the asylum seekers, but it’s okay for you to sweepingly disparage “the unemployed, benefit claiming and universal credit dependent lot”? Pot, kettle, and all that.

You’re also obviously aware that a large percentage of the refugees are actually also unemployed, benefit claiming and universal credit dependent? 🤯

Well perhaps a statistic that would be interesting to see would be the percentage of all those mostly white men demonstrating against immigration who are on benefits and wouldn't take a job if it were offrered on a platter? We already know that white racist men have a very high propensity towards domestic violence and abuse. I would lay bets they also have a high propensity towards sitting around on benefuts because they are too bloody good for working.

I wonder what they are protecting "us" from - strangers or themselves?

Look at the social unrest all around us. People don’t want large numbers of young men, no, so what makes you think they want their families as well, ever increasing numbers of people?

It bothers me also. It feels like that scene in 1984 when people are encouraged to shout out their hate to a figure on the big screen. It's creating a bogeyman/scapegoat for society's failings. It is absolutely abhorrent wishing death, torture and suffering on fellow human beings. Poor, poor people. They are not villains, they are not opportunists, they are just desperate humans trying to seek a better, safer life.

We are a small island nation and our resources are limited. We need to concentrate them on the legitimate population who were born here and who are already taxpayers. We know nothing about these illegals save that they have been crafty and dishonest enough to destroy their documents and engage in tale telling.

How do we know if any of them are going to be of any use to this country? How do we know they are not terrorists, drug dealers, rapists and so on. They arrive here with a cultural baggage which places less value on women and girls than is acceptable in this country. And as for those who claim they are in danger because they were gay or Christian - maybe they should keep their heads down and their mouths shut so they dont get persecuted. Or join a millitant group or political partyin their own land and fight for better conditions.

Its difficult enough for our own population to currently get houses, jobs and medical treatment without these resources being shared with a bunch of uninvited outliers who have contributed nothing. On the contrary they arrive in debt by the amount it has cost the taxpayer to fish them out of the sea.

I think the main question is why so many of us have so few cookies in the first place, seeing as there are plenty of cookies in this country. I blame the cookie hoarders with jars and jars, setting up cookie-hoarding systems that keep us all cookie-less. "That guy's after your cookie!" "No no, no jars to see here" "we can't be expecting people with loads of hard earned cookies to share" "that guy who wants a cookie like you, he's the reason you have no cookie"🍪