To find it shocking how brazen people are with their hatred of refugees?

[GreenFairy93]

Another day, another Facebook post calling for the army to be bought in to stop the boats. Another comment section full of people shouting "sink the boats!" "Use as much force as necessary to stop them!"

There are women and children on these boats and people are brazenly calling for force to be used against them and for them to be sunk, with pictures of their faces next to their comments. Not an ounce of shame. And there's hundreds of them.

I just find it absolutely abhorrent and honestly, really upsetting that so many people have dehumanised asylum seekers to the point they have absolutely no compassion in their hearts to the point they are publicly calling for harm to come to families fleeing war.

AIBU to be shocked that people think this is ok now?

No, I’m saying you don’t want the cookie if you have to wipe the bum of an old person with dementia to get it.

It’s a cookie that’s available to do a job we desperately need and you don’t want it. It’s not YOUR cookie. It’s an available cookie and they choose to earn it.

I’m a higher rate tax payer. So is DP. Our taxes fund the services. I don’t discriminate between a person needing to access said services based on where they come from. Thankfully the system isn’t inhumane.

I do however take issue with swathes of brits who are economically inactive through choice and heavily dependant on benefits. They contribute nothing to society, they haven’t contributed to the system yet draw on those services.

Gosh, you mean the media stories people get their daily dose of hatred stimulation from are not just dispassionate and reasonable reports of the facts?

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.

I live very near to one and they've not caused a single bit of trouble in the 2-3 years they've been housed there.

So you're saying your preference is for men who are definitely criminals and statistically more likely to have medieval views on women and equality, than men who are here legally. Not sure your moral compass hasn’t been dropped somewhere…

Off topic but actually I would make Deliveroo/Just Eat illegal. Encouraging laziness and feeding your face. I notice adverts don’t sell the service as being handy for disabled people, but as a “peckish - must eat junk” fun activity 😡

I use deliveroo constantly and I appreciate that someone will deliver my Indian food to me!

So you’re saying… it’s an invented job that shouldn’t exist? Who is going to deliver people’s takeaways then? Or are you saying that they shouldn’t have takeaways so we would have less immigrants?!!

Around 10% of the worlds population is malnourished. Is there anything less humane than not being able to feed yourself or your children?

I don’t think the answer to the worlds crises’ is to let a number of self selected men off boats and support them at a cost of billions of pounds tbh.

It’d be better to provide aid where they are surely where the money would go further. So you can feed / house 1 migrant in the UK but for the same money you could support a couple of hundred Sudanese migrants in Chad.

We are a small fucking island you really expect us to take the same as everyone else?

I think the problem is the tories and now labour's unwillingness to stop the boats.

It is inept goverments that they are angry with I think, rather than economic migrants.

Because what? Our country needs more unemployed people?

Good to hear.

I used to live next to a hostel for men and it was a problem. Disproportionate amount of crime. Hanging around all the time, would shout at you and follow you home etc.

Like all these things - it’s down to individuals. I think if people thought there was a good vetting process they might be more comfortable - I’m not sure how you’d achieve that given they’re not from the UK/Europe and so their histories traceable.

Why would I have sympathy for these people when there are already millions of disaffected people in this country already?

Is it really so hard to understand why people are angry? They are scared. If we were doing a better job taking care of everyone in society, they wouldn’t need to feel like their scant resources were being threatened.

It's not virtue signalling to say that you are OK with refugees, you know? It's a valid opinion. I feel rather strongly the so-called "crisis" (which is trotted out every few years) is a tactic to stir up hate and detract from the real issues. I know times are tough - I get it. But, what accounts to what is a tiny, tiny percentage of the UK population, is not what's causing people's finacial hardship. Immigrants are not what's causing slow NHS waiting times and bills to rise. They are being used as cannon fodder. It's propaganda and hate-mongering.

106k are just the asylum seekers; we also have several hundred thousand legal immigrants arriving who need housing, services, etc. Don't forget that each asylum seekers will also try to bring family over, which puts huge strain on public services and is one of the reasons the government has recently suspended family reunification routes.

I know you think that, but it's bollocks. I went to state school with the highest number of spoken languages of any school in the country.

Anyway, you're both ruining my cookie story.

If Cookies McCookiebags wasn't designing his cookie systems as a conveyer belts to his own cookie jars, we'd have enough cookies for ourselves. He's the cookie thief bastard. He wants them all!

Sure but that isn’t happening, is it?

And if you, as an individual, were in this position, would you wait for foreign aid that isn’t coming, or decide that you have to try and save yourself?

Very true, Homewardbanned, but you left out the "amnesties" which have been granted to failed asylum seekers in order to reduce backlogs ... over a quarter of a million since 1993 apparently

Also this piece is from 2011, the latest comprehensive numbers I can find, and I wouldn't like to say how many more there have been since then

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/233/a-quarter-of-a-million-failed-asylum-seekers-granted-amnesty-since-the-early-1990s

A refugee is someone seeking asylum because of persecution in their home country.

How many arriving in dinghies illegally are genuine refugees and how many are economic migrants who could have stayed in France who offer education, housing, clothes and an allowance?

You’re right, we have enough misogynists here already. We don't need to import more.

I don't know. Do you, or is this a rhetorical question?

Do you think any of the, say, Afghani men in the boats intend to wipe old people’s bums?

I have a lot of experience of care homes and NO men from there/Pakistan would do this. As I said earlier - sub-Saharan men yes.

And what when all the horrible old boomers have died? In 30 years they’ll nearly all be gone. The bums to be wiped will be far fewer.

They aren't all refugees, they are economic migrants as well. Over 1000 made the journey yesterday. Over 1000 people who need accommodation found for them immediately. How can you say that amount of people in one day doesn't have an effect on local resources.

I was listening to a radio phone in and there was a single mother with one child who had been evicted from her home by her landlord. Not her fault, he wanted to sell the house. The council placed her in a shared house in London with her child with 15 other people, with one kitchen and two toilets and one bathroom between them all. She had to pay £800 a month rent for one room. The council said she earned too much to receive UC or housing benefit. She was having to pay the Ulez charge daily which was putting her in debt. She was struggling and was in tears because she couldn't even afford milk until pay day.

There are so many people like this poor lady who must be feeling as though no one cares and you think the answer is for more immigration.

You can't generalise an entire race or nation based on your experience of working in care homes.