Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

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Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

Unfortunately not.

If I worked for the sherif dept probably have less choice, but overall, no, I don’t think i’d hand them in.

Thats actually kinda extreme.

It disturbing that people express these thoughts & see nothing wrong with it isn't it? And it absolutely does not make the world safer.

I would never live in a country that allows the death penalty.

I believe in the death penalty but wouldn’t turn my child in which clearly makes me a hypocrite.
I feel a new career in the Labour Party beckons.

Some of the views held by people about Kirk are basically the same.

So if Kirk is evil and the world’s better off. Surely those who believe that are also evil and the world would be better off….

After all it’s just opinions. He hasn’t done anything to anyone. He had committed no crime other than have beliefs some don’t like.

No but it was the way he thought about innocent victims of shootings. Live by the sword die by the sword.

"Kirk's 2 children are now growing up without a Daddy"

So, if there were no Little Ones growing up Without a Daddy, the death penalty wouldn't be appropriate?

This is the most famous one: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/06/philadelphia-shaurn-thomas-wrongful-conviction-murder

There was also that other guy freed via the Innocence Project that went on Joe Rogan to speak about it … iirc a body was found in his freezer not long afterwards

The people saying they wouldn't turn in their own child are disgraceful. Your child would be a murdering scumbag who deserved everything they had coming to him. It terrifying the people saying i couldn't send my child to a firing squad- how can you sleep at night knowing a wife had lost her husband and 2 children will now grow up without a father due to your son

I'd be disgusted if I gave birth to evil scum of this magnitude and I'd never want to set eyes on him again, so yes I'd turn my own son in in a heartbeat!!

From today's Independent (and multiple other sources);

"He also lashed out at the gay community, denouncing what he called the “LGBTQ agenda,” expressing opposition to same-sex marriage and suggesting that the Bible verse Leviticus 20:13, which endorses the execution of homosexuals, serves as “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”

Absolutely not. Hell no.

I remember reading the book written by the mother of one of the columbine murderers mothers. She said how she was so relieved when she found out she was dead as she couldn’t face knowing he would face the death penalty and have to lose him again like that. I can understand that (it was a good read).

I dont think the parents had any choice but to do it - the consequences for the wider family had they not done so could also have resulted in murder as retribution.

Could I do it? If it meant a choice between my eldest possibly surviving, possibly being executed or possibly killing more people or dying in a huge shootout or my youngest being killed by a random as punishment for something that she had nothing to do with in the first place? The choice has to be the innocent one.

@CaptainMyCaptain if you can't see what's wrong with your views then I'm not sure what else there is to say.

That is your opinion
My son is far more important to me than any stranger and I would protect him and defend him against anyone or anything.
I can sleep fine knowing that

Stephen King already had to backtrack on it, he never advocated for it and those newspapers should get sued by Kirk’s estate for defamation

That’s a bold statement. I am horrified by this shooting - it’s a clear attack on free speech as well as a very vicious way to do it, endangering and terrifying the thousands of people who had to see it. These factors make the murder worse, in my opinion.

Had I failed to impress on my child that political assassination is unacceptable, I hope I would have the courage to turn him or her in for the sake of public protection. The punishment is immaterial; this shooter is dangerous to the public. I also hope that none of us will ever have to make such a choice.

I disagree with the death penalty but Kirk's killer should face justice. There is an option for the jury or the judge to send him to prison for life without parole.

The alternative is that he escapes justice which I could not let happen.

The people saying they wouldn't turn in their own child are disgracefu

I just think they aren't really thinking about the reality or are thick.

A manhunt with him on the run will likely end in being shot dead. Going to jail means at least he has the chance to live.

Also to be clear - it's being reported in the media that it was a family friend, not a family member who turned him in - which brings a different dynamic I would argue...

He was going to get caught eventually. I imagine they also had to take into account what would happen to them if they were found to be shielding him. They will already face public vilification for their son’s actions. At least turning him in shows their willingness to have him held accountable.

I don’t agree with the death penalty. It’s a pointless exercise in revenge which doesn’t bring closure to the victim’s loved ones. It can be a long tortuous road taking many years, dragging out the misery and preventing families from moving on.

What if you knew there was a very good chance that he would be caught anyway, that you knew it was the moral thing to do and you had morals, and that if you did not hand him in you risk prison yourself and poverty and misery for the rest of your family who you can no longer support?

All this on the same day as doreen lawrence is begging for friends and family to come forward to finally get justice for those who murdered her son

My son is far more important to me than any stranger and I would protect him and defend him against anyone or anything. I can sleep fine knowing that

@Hoppinggreen really?
If they murdered and abused a child? You need the think about the reality of you covering that up & it coming out.