Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

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Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

Is his dad in the police?

Sure I just read that, but not sure if it’s verified.

I know they definitely said he’s a minister

Yes. In a circumstance like this it would be the only option. Everyone who knows him, knows the family would recognize him from the pictures. Id rather he was taken in, in a somewhat calm manner rather than be waiting for the FBI to bust through the door guns drawn. He lives in a dp state he knew that when he pulled the trigger and murdered an innocent unarmed man in cold blood. He is a danger to society. Thank God he didn't decided to take out fellow students who's opinions and values he didn't agree with. May God have mercy on his soul.

Because either killing someone is awful or it isn't.

Besides, there's plenty of cases where they got it wrong and it was discovered they were innocent all too late...

They will already face public vilification for their son’s actions. At least turning him in shows their willingness to have him held accountable.

Exactly & it may mean it protects their livelihoods & the rest of their family.

No, definitely not. I just could not send my adult child to die. I will not help with state sanctioned murder.

No. If you believe in the sanctity of life as Catholics and other Christian’s do then that applies to ALL life, not just innocent ones. The belief being that only God can take a life. No one preaching about the sanctity of life should be supporting the death penalty or defending the lack of gun control..They are mutually exclusive views whatever knots Vance and other so called Christians might tie themselves up in knots in attempting to justify.

Supporters of the death penalty should recognise that it can be an impediment to justice of any sort because many of us would not take any action which might involve us in state sanctioned murder. I said up thread I would not turn anyone in if likely to face the death penalty. This is true. I would, however, turn my own child (and anyone else i had information on) without question if I had information on violent crime and could be sure of no capital punishment.

What if your child took another innocent life? How long would you overlook his behavior?

I wonder if some posters have misvoted here due to the way the OP is presented with the YANBU and YABU in a different order to how they appear in the voting.

i don’t believe in the death penalty. If I was on jury duty I could never vote guilty if it meant I was sentencing someone to die. And how could anyone turn in their child to face this?

Does anyone else find it jarring that there seems to be more outrage in certain quarters over the shooting of an adult politician with a right wing agenda than over the many innocent children who are killed in school shootings?

I don't know much about what he actually thought, but I do know I will not get a great picture by consuming rage bait on the internet.

I noticed you commented positively to someone else claiming:
He "would have commended his son to death if he turned out to be gay."

Which was a lie spread online by a number of people and now has the likes of Stephen King posting apologies for spreading them.

I have seen clips regarding gun deaths but I don't know the full context of them but I also understand the debates around guns are not as simple as most people make out.

I would suggest your quick acceptance of false information and then denouncing someone as "evil" probably means you probably, like me don't have a great grasp of what the victim actually thought.

In light of that, perhaps you may want to pause posting hateful things about them for a few day or until you actually have a proper understanding.

I was thinking I wouldn’t turn my son in, but posters have changed my mind - this young man was identifiable, and, possibly likely to kill again. He was clearly adept at using a rifle.

I don’t believe in the death penalty but I do believe that a life sentence should mean exactly that.

The thing is none of us are giving an opinion from the point of view of someone born and raised in a country with the death penalty who accept this is the punishment for taking a life and accept it because that’s the norm in their society. We’re all looking at it from the point of someone living in a country that abolished the death penalty and use alternative penalties instead, so I am not sure any of us can really understand the consequences of murder from the perspective of someone who lives in a country where the death penalty is a normalised and accepted punishment for certain crimes.

I think I would have to. I couldn’t risk him doing it again, couldn’t look at him knowing what he’d done, would constantly ruminate on where he is what he’s doing now- I would need the closure, awful though I know it sounds and indeed would be. I’d rather mourn him honestly.

@NamelessNancy you wouldn't turn in someone you knew for murdering children or raping & killing women or a mass shootout?

I don’t agree with death penalty but if one of my DC did this I would disown them. No one should kill anyone.

I'm pretty sure I would be for death in those circumstances. But that's love and grief talking.

I suspect they thought that by doing that they avoided him getting shot during arrest and also it might give them a slight edge in arguing they should avoid the death penalty.

I would turn anyone in, regardless of who they were and regardless of the consequences, if they confessed to having murdered or raped anyone.

Honestly I could respect their personal beliefs but I just think it’s bad for society. I don’t want to pay to house and feed people who would rape and murder me.

Same here - I would turn in my son in the UK because I believe in justice for the victims and in taking responsibility for your actions, but I don’t think I could do it knowing they’d face the death penalty.

I think the death penalty can sometimes be appropriate. But I would probably not turn my son in.

I live in the UK so of course I would, in a heartbeat.

There is a huge difference in the fact that the UK does not have the death penalty.

Perhaps all those in favour of state sanctioned murder need to consider the anomaly there - that the death penalty often prevents justice being served.

No it is not better that someone was assassinated for having views others don’t agree with. It’s also not better that people post this stuff.

I think that's how I would feel. It's such a difficult question.