Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

[TaupeLemur]

Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

Is it true that his family saw this? How awful.

I really don’t think you are very well - you are coming across as completely unhinged tbh.

Does anyone have those mental health support links HQ sometimes post?

Do you have someone IRL you can speak to?

His little girl got a scare with the gunshot noise and apparently went to run to her dad for safety 😭

There are some in US fundie churches who believe that, but I'm sure it's a minority.

Have you researched this?

Yes of course, we all, would. Heck I'd probably want to do it myself.

But we can't go by that. To cloud our judgement with thoughts of it being personal, no one would ever get any sentence that than life in prison. Which is just not feasible or justified.

I think turning him in was the only way to at least try and avoid the death penalty. They would have known that an arrest wouldn't have been far away - with a chance of a shooting death during the arrest as well.

True.

The primary method of execution is lethal injection, however firing squad is also an alternative legal method of execution under Utah law.

Maybe, but it shut you up about people deserving to get shot for opinions and ‘children having rapist’s babies’ for a good half hour. I’m willing to bet that’s longer than your therapists have ever managed. I’m taking that as a win and so should you, well done. Small steps and all that.

I actually don’t know anything about the story. I saw a post yesterday and looked the guy up, got as far as trump supporter and pro gun and tuned straight back out.

I was just literally answering the would you turn your child in question.

i can’t honestly bring myself to care about this man or any other rich white entitled misogynist twats that rave about the “right to bare arms” or what ever bullshit they rant about, I do care about every innocent child and adult that’s killed every few minutes in the US due to their ridiculous outdated constitution though.

You're right. I misremembered. Some people have already put me right

It's still barbaric no matter what the method is

You seem very confused. Maybe have a lie down? I’ve repeatedly said that nobody should be shot for their opinions. And Charlie Kirk was the one who said his children should have rapists’ babies, so you’re definitely confused.

I would turn him in. I couldn’t live with knowing he might kill again and I had done nothing to stop that.

The shot was at a modest distance which is achievable for a keen, experienced amateur shooter, which the suspect is. Sights on weapons are now very effective. It did not need the skills of a professional assassin. (That, in itself, is very frightening.)

As to identifying someone from that footage, it is very possible. Humans have evolved to be able to identify faces they know extraordinarily quickly, even when far away, and in a crowd. Plus we can get significant additional clues from how someone walks, or holds their head, or moves their arms, and so on.

I'm sure the FBI got hundreds of false identifications, many genuine mistakes and a few attention seekers. But, people close to the suspect, would look at the photos and film, and think, good lord, that really looks like X. And then would have this very hard decision to make.

Hardly confusing as he is a killer who can kill again.

A experienced hunter that’s been familiar with guns since childhood could absolutely have made that shot. Like a PP said, even a skilled amateur could have. It wasn’t one that could only have been achieved by a trained sniper.

If they wanted a patsy they would have gone for the exact opposite of a white guy from a MAGA family. Be serious.

Thing is a lot of killers in the UK get out of prison and kill again. That happened to my friend. A life sentence in this country rarely means life.

Sorry I mistook this for a discussion board and was adding context.

Yes, it's been something I've been very interested in since studying law in 2006 and reading the arguments against criminalisation of mayoral rape only 13 years earlier. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it's still considered controversial in many circles to suggest that a husband is not entitled to his wife at any time. Few suggest that taking her by force is the answer, but wives who don't submit to sex whenever the husband wants it are then subject to discipline by the church.

Just to be clear, coercing someone into sex is still rape. Physical violence doesn't need to be present.

There were a lot of posts on SM naming other suspects.

I saw five different people being outed. Mocks of their faces merged with the FBI pictures.

People had dug deep into the SM posts of each one, finding the same shoes, old 'incriminating' posts, etc.

Even after the suspect had been named, quite a few people named Tyler, but with a photo of one of the previous 'suspects', which is appalling for te poor man.

I'm not convinced he was an 'expert's shooting. Lots have said it was a po, but I really don't think he was aiming for his neck.

I'm also not convinced his parents are to blame. Not all killers or sociopaths, are due to nature, as their siblings are perfectly stable.

Obviously there are exceptions, such as the Abedi brothers,

I don't know if I would turn my son in. I think so ìn the UK, but I would be torn, it's a hypothetical question, that may play out differently in reality.

Within minutes of the announcement his mother's FB was flooded with horrible comments, which us really abhorrent, she also deleted most of his photos.

Tyler's actions have wrecked, not just Chalie's family, but his own.

Could we maybe not refer to people conceived from rape as “rape babies”? They’re actual people, not hypotheticals in the abortion debate, and they don’t deserve to be defined that way. You want to talk about abortion when women and girls are pregnant from rape, fine, but as someone who’s acquainted with someone who was conceived through rape, I would find it callous, reductive, and dehumanizing to refer to him as a “rape baby.”

What about the Minnesota killings? It seems like it was bad enough as those 4 targeted were democrats.

The shooter isn't left wing though. He's a right wing, Republican, religious gun nut. This is maga on maga crime

Do we know this now? For sure?

I'm wondering about the inscriptions on the bullet/s

If the assassin IS another RW maga nut job....I wonder if maga will ever admit this?

You are just making up stuff - or repeating made up stuff from social media. His family is republican yes- and he's clearly been radicalised outside that environment but there are not enough details as yet to say whether far left or far right.