Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

[TaupeLemur]

Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

if my adult child intentionally murdered someone in the UK - Yes
If my adult child intentionally murdered someone where the death penalty or 100s of years were going to be the sentence -No

How much support and help I offered would depend on the circumstances.

He is a patsy. He could not have made that sh0t nor would you be able to identify anyone from that footage. It’s the usual Trump sacrifice to distract from him.

no one mentioned the schoolshooting that took place the same day!

You can get a whole life tariff in the UK though.

What's the difference between that and 100s of years? You die in prison either way.

I agree re the death penalty btw.

He said multiple times that he thought women should submit to their husbands in all things, yes. In conservative US Christianity, “submitting to your husband” entails that a women should be entirely ruled by their husband and his every desire. You aren’t allowed to say no to anything including sex, or to disagree, or to defend yourself. It’s extremely toxic. And he did say that women shouldn’t vote if it wasn’t for he candidate chosen by their husband, yes.

Your posts are increasingly incoherent but I agree with your last sentence:

People who immediately leap to any defence at all of child rapists are not, by any means, normal or standard or reasonable.

This is exactly the position of myself and the posters you are sniping at, thanks for conceding.

Got to get on, so I give permission to those who are bizarrely and oddly triggered by the proper execution of child rapists permission to keep repeating nonsense on a loop at me.

Just know that every single time you are triggered by the standard, reasonable and very popular belief that child rapists should be executed (publicly or otherwise) people look at you sideways. They wonder.

It's absolutely WEIRD to be triggered by a throwaway comment about executing child rapists. Really, really, really, really weird. And people notice.

"Submit to your husband." Sounds like dv or marital rape to me, and if not, he should have been clear, as what these words incite is very dangerous. "Submit to your husband" means whatever he wants, for the rest of your life. He encouraged women to drop out of college, marry quickly and get pregnant. Can't have woman being financially independent!

Were you aware that you are talking to yourself….?

I doubt that's unusual for this poster...

That about voting is vile - do you have a source tho?

I disagreed strongly w a lot of his views, but I read a lot of his stuff and he strongly condemned DV & rape.

I am v interested in fundamentalist Christianity & there definitely are worryingly influential figures who seem to turn a blind eye to rape in marriage & DV. But not even the worst say it is OK.

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I think this thread is perhaps triggering trauma responses…

Submission is used a lot among conservative "complementarian' evangelicals. It's a different culture which I think is deeply sexust & unpleasant but it does not condone marital rape or DV. Tho in practice often it happens in those kind of setup & is sometimes covered up.

But how many whole life tariffs are actually handed down? There are less that 100 people in the UK serving WLT. Very few people in the uk actually serve a whole life in jail, you can still get out under the WLT and even then getting that sentence would involve the most heinous murder in which case those circumstances would probably be the type that I wouldn’t support or help in.

V bad posts. But she didn't fantasise about children being raped, don't say that.

But marital rape isn't considered rape by fundamental Christians. Remember that marital rape was perfectly legal in the UK until 1993, so living memory.

If you believe that a wife must submit to her husband, that includes thinking that you should submit to sex, even when you don't want it. They don't consider that rape - just taking what is your right.

Yes, he said it on a radio show - I think I posted a link upthread. It’s actually such a problem that there was an ad campaign targeted at women married to very dominant, conservative men saying that they needed to remember their vote was private and so they didn’t have to vote for shit their husband told them to if they didn’t want to. He said the idea of that was “nauseating” and “the embodiment of the downfall of America”

It’s on this radio show here:

There is something very wrong with you.

No. I know about this stuff. I dislike a lot of what they do strongly, but even the most fundamentalist are clear that a husband should act in his wife's best interests, and they ARE clear that marital rape is not that.

In practice, abuse is often covered up. But it is not true that these groups, even extreme ones, openly say it is OK.

It might well apply to a public shooting, idk. I'm saying it is an option. A WLT means life in prison unless there are extreme compassionate grounds for release. No-one is getting any real time outside prison after getting a WLT.

Thank you. He went downhill w the radio show. Started off OK and then he became more and more of an edgelord and Christian fundamentalist.

They really aren't. As I say there are people alive in the UK right now who were against marital rape becoming a crime. There are plenty more in fundamental Christian churches.

Why do you think that that's the footage they used to identify him?

Absolutely no way would Trump have 'sacrificed' Charlie Kirk.