Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

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Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

Anyone can get posts deleted- it appears our posts get removed as they are not agreed with - how ironic!! And yes I am angry about this, it angers me ALOT that humans I have to walk along with and exist with on this planet think its OK to slay other humans for opposing political views.

Would you like Melissa Hortman's murderer to be executed live as well? A two for one perhaps?

Your posts got removed because you were calling people psychos and other names. Posts don’t get removed just because they weren’t agreed with. They need to be in breech of guidelines.

Who has said that it’s “okay to slay other humans to opposing political views”? Can you provide evidence of this in the thread?

But you are the one clearly repeatedly attacking me!!!! POT CALLING KETTLE over here!!😂

How have I ‘attacked’ you?

I mean, there are people baying for blood, but they're the ones slavering at the thought of public executions. The only celebration of death is coming from those keen to watch the murderer die. It's very dark.

This is actually a really disturbing thing to say. You’re calling for a live execution? Wow.

Oh my God here we go again! They are there, other people have seen them and commented on them not just me. Look, I agree in freedom of speech, and that opinions of others shouldn't be a death warrant. You agree that left wing ideology or the highway. Let's agree to disagree.

Yes I can see these. The suggestion that we all want to see public executions, otherwise we aren’t ‘normal’ apparently.

I am just yet to see any evidence on the thread of anyone suggesting that its “okay to slay other humans to opposing political views”?

I really think that the internet-most particularly social media- has heralded an era of radicalisation. No matter how heinous your viewpoint, how extreme your views or unlawful your intentions, it is easy to find a corner of the internet to have your views validated by others, be cheerleaded in them, link with others, find "proof" of your beliefs.

Once people holding extreme beliefs would have easily been identifiable in a society governed by cultural norms/laws- but the internet is essentially lawless. Its the wild wild west, and the content available even on platforms people deem legitimate is absolutely appalling. Children can access content that shapes their lives forever.

It feels like everything is now in the extreme-political views, misogyny, racism, pornography-and I cannot imagine that the age of AI is going to temper this at all.

The reach of the radicalised few is now global-and also cleverly packaged to draw people in.

Its very, very frightening.

Yes. Violent men who take the lives of innocent people should be executed.

It really is that simple.

You’ve not provided any examples of this in the thread.

Mumsnet is quick to delete thankfully but even on this thread people say the world is better off without Charlie. Iirc someone even wrote that the killer was a better person, which is wild.

I would not. Especially in these circumstances.

Trump and his allies have been fuelling hate and division and poisoned the political landscape. Also America has a massive issue with gun ownership that law-makers have bèen unwilling to address and the social media pictures that have surfaced show that the killer has been given access to guns from a very young age.

There is no excuse for killing anyone, no matter how toxic their views are, but I would not want the killer to face the death penalty because of the context I have described above.

Agreed. We need a more balanced approach! A move back to the centre. We don’t all have to stand in exactly the same place politically - but I do believe right of centre and left of centre could find harmony if only people were willing to listen to each other.

It means for other people with evidence they agree with the death penalty but they wouldn’t hand over their child to face the death penalty

Not just people but his dc. Which is wrong.

People can believe that the world is better off without someone with a large platform to spread misogynist and bigoted extreme beliefs, which causes harm to society. Whilst also believing that all murder is wrong and unjustified. These two positions can be held simultaneously.

I haven’t seen a post yet which states that CK deserved to be killed, despite posters claiming this repeatedly.

Hmm. I don't think that Kirk deserved to die. As someone who doesn't support the death penalty anyway, I absolutely don't condone his murder.

I do think the world would be far better without his rhetoric. I believe his words were extremely harmful and that his values were damaging to society and humankind. Unfortunately, he died but his rhetoric did not - it will instead be amplified, as his widow has (quite understandably) vowed.

So I think Kirk's murder was morally abhorrent and in absolute terms it has made the world a darker place - but the latter is because it will make his voice louder, and the things he said and stood for are dark and dangerous things.

The world would be better without his views, but I don't support trying to eradicate opposing viewpoints with violence. I do think his death will usher in a great deal more violence. I don't agree with fanning those flames and calling for more blood.

Agreed! I think though there are more of us in the centre than the far lefts/rights would have everyone believe-we just don't shout the loudest, or draw attention to ourselves in the same hyperbolic, head line grabbing way.

Everyone seems so angry nowadays. Its like having a perpetual headache watching polar opposites tear strips of each other.

Disagreeing respectfully and reasoned debate seems to be rather passé nowadays, but I miss it-in politics and in day to day life.

There you go. Call your enemies misogynists and bigots, and imply the world is better off without them.

Do you understand how that sounds? If you think Charlie Kirk is a far-right extremist, then I’m off-the-charts. Do you think the world is better off without me? Or is it okay as long as I don’t have a platform?

Is that meant to be some sort of excuse for taking someone’s life?

I actually don’t think the world stands to gain anything at all from his death because as you say, his words will now be amplified. From the bombardment of news and comment that’s been going in the days following his murder, I think he’s well on the way to be held up as a martyr for his cause, and that’s a really dangerous thing. And given the platform from which he operated I doubt it will be long before some Kirk wannabe springs up to take his place. Those celebrating his murder clearly aren’t capable of grasping the hammer blow it’s dealt to free speech.

Absolutely correct

The world would be better without misogyny and bigotry. That's just true. But killing misogynists and bigots doesn't kill their harmful views; it likely makes them stronger. So I'm not supporting the murder of those on the far right. But if their hatred and bigotry could be extinguished, the world would be more peaceful and more equal.