Angela Raynor - a thread for sane centre left/lefties

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The tone on some of the other threads is very 'two tier keir' 'we need reform' 🤢🤢🤢

She had to go. Shame as I thought she was likeable

I remember when he tried to fire her before and she refused to be fired iirc 😭😭

Who will replace her? Who do you want to replace her?

I'm not arsed tbh, but needed a non faragey thread

I thought the LP deputy PM was an elected post at Conference. Is that not the case?
David Lammy is an odd choice and sounds like a bit of a demotion. I thought it would be someone like Matthew Pennycock or Peter Kyle.

I find this story really fascinating because it illustrates so many different problems with our system. FWIW I think she had to resign and I’m glad she did. I have never personally warmed to her very much, and I think calling Tories ‘scum’ at a late night conference event is an example of her being a bad politician, frankly. But I also think her personal story is admirable and inspiring. I hope she comes back a bit humbler and a bit wiser.

What I think is worth pointing out is that so many things about UK law are written with a ‘cookie cutter’ person in mind - average or above average salary, married with kids, owns a home, is employed, etc. (and, frankly, is a man). And actually, that describes a minority of people in this country, and so many of us struggle with laws and regulations that weren’t written with us in mind. Rayner is one example of a politician struggling with this (divorced, child with complex needs, blended family). Another was David Laws, who had to resign from the Coalition government because he had been concealing financial details so that his 80yo mother wouldn’t find out he was gay.

i’m really struck by how many people on MN have been saying ‘she should have known to consult a specialist trust tax lawyer!’ Like - if you’re from a wealthy background, or you are yourself now wealthy, that probably seems like a reasonable sentence. I’m in my 50s, quite smart, and not poor, and I had no idea there were such things as specialists in tax/trust law until 48 hours ago. If you’re from Rayner’s background (much, much more hard-scrabble than mine is), how would you ever know this? The little bit on your conveyancer’s letter saying ‘we recommend you seek further specialist professional advice’ is just white noise to most of us - yeah, yeah, you want me to pay someone else thousands when I’m already paying you thousands, jog on. (Is what I would have thought if I’d seen it.)

I’m so frustrated with her for not being more careful. But I think there’s a really big, structural problem here, which is that nothing about British government is set up to support people who come from any kind of non-standard background. And that’s really structurally unfair.

Also, Streeting for PM. I’m afraid we need a Blair figure, and Streeting is the closest we have.

Yes Ibthink health is too big, and he should keep it. He also has a wafer thin majority so may need to find a new constituency.

While I agree with lots of what you've said - I'm not keen on Streeting. I would much prefer to see Andy Burnham he is much more charismatic and has done great things in Manchester. I know he needs to be an MP etc. but if Johnson can make the switch from Major of London to Prime Minister, I don't see why Andy couldn't

I thought this was a thread for sane lefties. **ck off racist reformers!

Dream on OP. Reform are eating Labour’ lunch while these Labour liars are being exposed as crooks and thieves.

It does make one wonder about her level of intelligence, and who was advising her on her own financial matters. Tax affairs are not always straightforward, as in this case, and it rather looks as though she believed what she wanted to believe instead of asking an expert.

She was a threat to them, which is why it's all the more stupid of her and frustrating for us. These "silly mistakes" shouldn't be happening. These people are meant to be showing the best of the working classes, not that they can't even do their own taxes when that's part of their job for the nation.

I thought it was usually elected too is that another post

@thedramaQueen I kind of love Streeting tbh. He’s so… adept. And sounds authentic even when he’s spouting party lines. I feel like he’s got that tone that both Blair and Cameron had - can disagree with people without sounding angry. Good teachers/explainers. Sound like they mean what they say and intend to put it into practice (Starmer totally lacks this, bless him.) I know he’s considered to be to the right of the party, but so (to be honest) is the British electorate!

I have nothing against Burnham, but I feel like he’s been fairly clear that he doesn’t want to come back to Westminster. And tbh I feel like most people who do remember him will associate him with a flailing Gordon Brown administration. I agree he’s been good in Manchester, but that’s a very different role and a very different electorate.

Still, all theoretical of course (for now…)

Lammy got on very well with Vance...
I suspect this is a political move to keep Trump happy with us, and if/when Vance takes over when he pops-le-clogs.

Deputy Leader of the Labour Party is elected by the party. Deputy PM is in the gift of the PM. Rayner was both, but the election now for Deputy Leader (she’s stood down) is expected to be a bloodletting nightmare. So that’s something to look forward to, if you support the government (as I do, broadly)

Honestly, completely agree

Bloody hell that's going to be a shitshow! I wonder if that's what Farage meant when he said the LP would tear itself apart in the next few weeks.

Lammy is in.

You would think she’d have checked and double checked.

It’s a shit show.

All of it .

Disappointed Cooper wasn’t elected as Deputy PM.

We will see but it’s not looking good for Labour right now.

Fuck me.

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Yep.

What is worst iny opinion is she over charged her own son for the 25 percent of the house she sold him. The house was over valued and she knew it.

Allegedly. Not even the most right wing media have reported this - and I’m sure they would if there was the tiniest grain of truth in it. It appears to be a rumour exclusively confined to MN.

Surely if the trust bought her share at an overvalue, the trustees would be in breach of their fiduciary duty. It would be a serious matter.

I was surprised at David Lammy getting moved to that post. He gets Justice as well, which I believe is a demotion from Foreign Secretary; don’t know if deputy PM makes up for that.

Wonder who he”s fallen out with, as I thought he got on fairly well with Vance - which I’m not sure is an advantage or a disadvantage tbh.

The other things lots of MNers were saying was that Rayner was a politically exposed person (which is a regulatory category), and as such any financial professional must have identified her as such and subjected her to enhanced screening. The implication was, if PEP rules had been followed she couldn’t possibly have failed to receive the correct advice.

I have absolutely no idea whether this was true - but if it was, and her solicitors failed to identify her as a PEP/offer the appropriate advice, are they in breach of some kind of duty? Not a peep of this in the Laurie Magnus report. Maybe he doesn’t understand the rules either? Does… anybody understand the rules? And if they don’t, might there be some kind of bigger problem than Ange’s seaside flat that’s worth paying attention to?

Hopefully people will wake up and realise that that is a complete nightmare