Angela Raynor - a thread for sane centre left/lefties

[mumofoneAloneandwell]

The tone on some of the other threads is very 'two tier keir' 'we need reform' 🤢🤢🤢

She had to go. Shame as I thought she was likeable

I remember when he tried to fire her before and she refused to be fired iirc 😭😭

Who will replace her? Who do you want to replace her?

I'm not arsed tbh, but needed a non faragey thread

I’m gutted. I “e-met” her on a small Zoom call once and she was amazing. Warm, very articulate and very competent.

Thinking the press might go after Farage with the same vigour? Yeah you're right

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I'm not a Rayner fan but think this has been blown way out of proportion. Any normal person would think the house belonged to her son, I know I would! I don't blame her for not thinking to raise it when buying a house for herself. I don't think she needed to go for this mistake but the furore made it inevitable.

Agree that dickhead and co need to wind their necks in and hold themselves/be held accountable to the same standards.

Ah but I think this is it - the £40k surplus is a huge amount of money for her.

You are misguided about who ‘the rich’ are.

The total tax on the new property would be more than her entire annual salary after tax.

Yes.

There’s no guarantee that anybody better would be elected

Couldn’t disagree more.

It seems that no matter how good their intentions at the outset once in power they become the same as every other politician- greedy, entitled and selfish

The right was not going to stop until they’d brought Raynor down. They hate her and what she stands for.

the best thing for the country at the moment is stability

I agree, and we certainly do not have stability with the current Labour government. The last Budget caused huge uncertainty and worry. The late Budget date this November is creating yet more uncertainty, with families and businesses worried about what’s to come. The Budget date is so late that Scotland might not be able announce their plans until the new year. The uncertainty, instability and worry that the country has is awful.

I agree that this government have been so disappointing on a comms level. This was another example of stupid carelessness which will now come back to bite them. As the ethics letter makes clear, she has integrity but this oversight was just stupid and simply not of the standards expected.

That said, Farage and numerous Tories have and do get away with so much more. What Angela did was careless but absolutely nothing compared to Trump’s corruption, and yet those right wing men get away with it. I am furious with the press for being so biased and hounding her. A clear level of snobbery and misogyny involved.

Labour have done some great meaningful things but hardly any of the electorate could point to this’s, only these silly mundane scandals and poor cock ups like the winter fuel. I really wish they would get Alistair Campbell back in to get them back in line!

I think what Labour has done to this country in such a short period of time is utterly shameful, utterly, the incompetence and grabbyness is so shameful, however right now the tories aren’t in a position to be in power either, for different reasons, kemi doesn’t have the gravitas to do it, and reform would be just as bad or worse as current Labour. Farage would be even worse, we would be a laughing stock.

So my view is starmer has to go, there is no way back for him, it’s too bad, it’s irreversible now. The mess, the corruption, the incompetence is palpable.

yvette cooper is pretty much a solid pair of hands who looks remotely respectful, she isn’t on the take from what I understand, or Andy burnham. But it’s a sad day for sure when you’re looking around for someone who doesn’t appear incompetent or on the take.

Sadiq khan would be disasterous. We need the North Sea back operational again.labour have all but shut it down, thousands of jobs are going and we now import our energy rather than drill for it. So many shameful things happening. That’s just one of many.

so they need to oust starmer, and put someone in the country trusts, and someone who isn’t on the take, is not too far left, not too far green they aren’t in the real world, and who isn’t utterly incompetent. It’s a small pool of candidates,

Angela’s working class credentials is what got her where she is, she didn’t get there despite it, she hid behind the skirts of it, in reality she has a messy life, messy finances, and with her free holidays and not paying her tax, was undoubtedly using her position for personal gain outwith what is required of her,

I don’t actually think it was tax evasion (illegal). I think it was a tax avoidance scheme (legal, but immoral, especially if you’re an MP!!), to reduce the tax liability.

I think her position had become untenable.

I can’t take seriously someone who doesn’t know how to spell Angela RAYNER surname, sorry

I agree 100% with this.
The other sites on Mumsnet are full of hatred for her.
As I posted there, we will never know the complete truth about the tax issue.
It’s difficult to believe she would purposely & callously avoid tax, as she knows she has to be more than ‘squeaky clean’.
I truly despair at the political situation in Britain & the World. My parents were alive in the pre WW2 era & I grew up being assured by them that another war with atrocities could not happen again.
Now I fear for my children & grandchildren because I can see nothing but Right wing horrors in the future.

It was neither! The trust was for her son for his security, stability and safety at home. Her oversight was in not seeking out a specialised tax advisor to triple check the advice she had been given by “ordinary” conveyancers and advisors. She ought to have done this to make fully sure that she wasn’t going to get it wrong, and she neglected to, but I don’t believe she chose not to in order to get out of paying the tax. I just think she was stupid / naïve - probably extremely busy with her job and parenting and mistakenly felt it was an unnecessary extra bit of admin - fatal mistake.

Would it fuck

Yvette Cooper along with her husband Ed was investigated for flipping homes for expenses and tax benefits way back. The usual we followed the rules even if not the spirit of the rules. I'm not sure if she yet is able to bring herself to say a biological man is not a woman. Let's look further afield for a suitable candidate.

It was the right decision to go, but I'm bitterly disappointed. I really liked her; as a young mum myself she made politics feel like something anyone could get into and succeed in. I am really disappointed by this.

Part of me wants them to say yeah, do you know what, fuck it - let's have a GE, let's let Reform in, because the sooner they're in power, the sooner they'll mess it all up and the supporters will become a bit less unbearable (until they move on to their next thing, like they have from BNP to UKIP to Reform).

I am really going to have to avoid the news now. Having had such a shitty Tory government for 14 years I had high hopes for Labour sorting shit out, but all this has done is show me they aren't really in charge and there is fuck all hope of anything changing. I wish I had never had kids. Meanwhile my local Labour MP who seems pretty decent got kicked out of the party for disagreeing with their cowardly policies towards vulnerable people and potentially disagreeing with SEND reforms.

I think we really need proportional representation now. The only way we can do that is instead of these 'get the current incumbents out' campaigns in general elections we all decide to vote independent to get party politics out.

I hope my banished MP doesn't go back to Labour for this reason.

Yes. Talking of Farage, Brexshit has been the biggest scam of all.
Can't resist pointing that out as I'm still angry at the damage done to our country.

I quite liked her, as a Northern woman myself there was a lot I admired
BUT she was housing Minister and needed to do everything by the book, of all the people in Politics she was the one who needed to be squeaky clean with her housing arrangements. I don't think this was a mistake though
I would also question how an MP with a Northern Consituency can claim their main residence to be so far away, not a good look.
The worst thing is how it gives Farage and co additional ammo

This makes my heart sink. It wouldn't have been difficult for Angela Rayner to be transparently clean in her personal financial dealings, and she couldn't manage that. I don't want an election or a revolution. I want the current government to pull itself together and offer some conspicuous evidence of competence.