Marks & Spencers bra fittings and trans women - they've missed the point

[IdaGlossop]

A mother complained to M&S when her daughter was approached in-store by a trans woman asking if she could be of assistance. The daughter needed a bra fitting and was upset as she could see that the member of staff was male. M&S apologised.

Today, in response to the incident, M&S have announced that bra fittings are for biological women only. The solution to the mother's complaint is to not deploy trans women staff in the lingerie department! Banning trans women from having bra fittings discriminates against trans women and doesn't solve the original problem.

YANBU = M&S have messed up with this decision
YABU = Banning trans women from bra fittings protects biological women from being offered bra fittings by trans women staff

www.thepinknews.com/2025/08/18/ms-bra-fitting-trans/

Yes, it is called Differences of Sexual Development. But the person is still either male OR female. Not both. And not a third sex.

Lies and misinformation from you.

source?

I take back the barely sentient descriptor for the soup.

Clearly you missed the handy graph i posted earlier so I'll post it again for you and if you look at it you'll see that the data comes from the UK ministry of justice and the office of national statistics

can i have the link I want to see if this is weighted or not

Bras are for people who have tit's, whether they are real or fake, or grew before or after puberty. If a man with a big pair of man boots wanted a bra, he should be able to get one! Likewise the woman who has had a double mastectomy and had implants afterwards should be able to get one. If a trans woman has tits, due to hormones or implants, she needs a bra.

Sure go look it up on either the MOJ or ONS websites for yourself im not your research assistant

Well he can go to a man for his bra fitting rather than try and force a woman to participate in his fetish

There aren't any male bra fitters. I think you've spotted a gap in the market!

He may need a bra.

However he has no right at all to rock up to M&S with the expectation that he will be allowed into the M&S fitting room area or that any of the M&S female staff must provide a service.

No one is stopping anyone buying a bra but I can see how a female bra fitter may be uncomfortable fitting someone other than a biological women.

you shuld be able to provide your own link to whear you got it from when your present data you need to be able to prove it

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Links are literally on the image....

You know, the bit where it says 'Derived from:'?

No you should be able to look it up yourself women aren't here to do your research for you.
Its simple just go to the gov website look up crime statistics and scroll down to any year and look up then do the maths with the number of transwomen sex offenders per million and then do the same for men and women (the women's figures are unreliable as they include men who have GRCs and even 1 man makes a huge statistical difference when there are so few women sex offenders)

The image has the sources listed right there on the graphic.

OK from looking at I'm just doing a little bit of thinking from https://www.gires.org.uk/information-on-prevalence-incidence-and-monitoring/ saying that "“Is the gender you identify with the same as your sex registered at birth?”

• 45.7 million (94.0% of the population aged 16 years and over) answered the question.
• 45.4 million (93.5%) answered “Yes” and 262,000 (0.5%) answered “No”.
• 2.9 million (6.0%) did not answer the question.

" now your graph is saying 1916 per mil for "men identifieing as woman" now the data I here says 0.5 percent of the UK population does not assign with their gender given at birth Now I don't have a number for how many of them are trans women but I know that 0 .5% is a lot less than 49% and 49% of the population is male so i came to the conclusion there is more male sex offenders just with that massive difference of number it isn't possible for there to be more sex offenders That are male but then again this is only a rough thought

You're ignoring the data from the MOJ and ONS in favour of information from GIRES?

Oh dear...

Sure. Has anyone on the thread said that a male person should not be allowed to purchase a bra? I haven’t seen that said on this thread.

However, no female person should have to fit a male person for a bra, just as she should not have to accept a male person fitting her for a bra.

oh sorry have i mised some thing im looking at difrent things

The sources for the chart is on the chart.

Yes the ONS and MOJ are official government organisations that would face criminal charges under foi laws for knowingly falsifing data. Gires is a biased pro trans group and can and do falsify data all the time