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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To be so annoyed about the dangers of being a woman?

474 replies

Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 22:06

I like to run or go for long walks. I ususally listen to music or books or whatever.

There are some lovely long circular routes near me through woods and along streams. I do do them, but am always slightly on edge because it’s so big that you can go a while without seeing anyone, and if I pass a man I can’t help but think ‘if I was attacked here no one would hear’. I try and do these at busy times, be finished before it starts getting dark and I’d never do it in the rain because of how quiet it would be. It irritates me that men, of course, won’t have to consider any of this.

Tonight, I didn’t have time to go there so did a four mile route from my house. It’s pretty and got a ruralise atmosphere but the roads are relatively busy, for a Sunday night, and there are plenty of houses. I don’t ususally worry at all on this route.

But this evening, some fucking dickhead cycled up behind me, on the path instead of the road, and shouted right in my ear, clearly to try and frighten me and embarrass me, then he and his friend cycled away.

I’m so angry that I can’t even go on a walk without men getting a buzz out of harassing me.

Not even really sure what my AIBU is but I’m so angry that I could cry.

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Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 22:59

Chiseltip · 10/08/2025 22:54

You can get help for your anxiety.

Don’t be ridiculous.

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SquishedMallow · 10/08/2025 23:00

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Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 23:00

SquishedMallow · 10/08/2025 22:55

As to your original dilemma op. Stop dragging your knuckles. I can see how pent up you are by how absolutely unnecessarily rude you were to @Yabberwok . Totally uncalled for. And all the 'centring yourself ' rubbish doesn't wash.

You can spend your life being angry. Or you could accept that life is unfair, it'll never be fair. It was never promised to be. Ants get stood on every day and killed with ant powder because we see them as smaller and therefore less worthy than a cat or dog or ladybird or any other bigger creature. Is that fair ? Nope. But there we are.

Women are smaller, weaker, more vulnerable. Always have been, always will be.

Most men are awesome. Some are predatory or misogynistic bastards. But they're stronger than us. Therefore we have to take measures to protect ourselves. Not take unnecessary risks like running in the dark in the woods on our own.

The statistics of something terrible happening are probably rather low. Let's not exaggerate. But if it did happen, you'd stand way less chance than a male. That's your survival instinct kicking in. It's just the way we're wired up. To protect our survival. And men are a threat to us: theoretically.

You can spend the rest of your life being angry and blaming every innocent male or you can risk assess and just get on with your life.

Didn’t read past the first sentence.

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LoremIpsumCici · 10/08/2025 23:00

Good post @SquishedMallow

Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 23:02

RepoTheGeriatricOpera · 10/08/2025 22:56

Exactly, I've had to explain to my daughters about rape, being aware of their surroundings including drink spiking, and even how to collect dna evidence under their nails should something happen.

My 6ft 3" son, not so much.

But op, if it makes you feel better, men are scared too and also don't forget NAMALT.

I must remember at all times that any concern I have as a woman can only be equal to or lesser than that of a man. Will write it down 😅.

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Illegally18 · 10/08/2025 23:02

Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 22:32

And, of course, if you react and say anything you run the risk of escalation.

true

LoremIpsumCici · 10/08/2025 23:02

Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 22:47

He could be, yes. And who’s he going to attack? A man or a woman?

Crime Statistics say he is 3x more likely to attack a man than a woman.

Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 23:02

LoremIpsumCici · 10/08/2025 22:57

I see it as relevant because it was while camping alone in a rural area that I was attacked by a man with a knife who intended to kill me.

I am sorry if this makes you more afraid, but seriously when out alone running/walking you have never once thought of the potential for being murdered? It’s only been rape?

You must not be aware of all the murder victims they find in the countryside every year who were killed there and not killed in an urban area and dumped there.

I think you’re mixing up me and another poster.

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Hobbes8 · 10/08/2025 23:03

If the men are worried about being attacked by other men, they should feel free to start their own post, perhaps on a website targeted at men. Then we can we talk about our worries as women without a load of bullshit male apologists?

Illegally18 · 10/08/2025 23:04

Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 22:47

You are extraordinarily lucky.

ain't that the truth!

Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 23:04

Hobbes8 · 10/08/2025 22:57

The replies to this thread have gone so weird so quickly. Can’t we complain about being scared whilst out running without having to give endless disclaimers and apologies about not all men are attackers, men are scared too…

Why cant we just talk about ourselves and what we are worried about? Why shouldn’t we be fucking angry?

Honestly, it’s absolutely mad this frantic dash to talk about men. I wonder if it’s some sort of protection response - if I defend men the threat will be lower. Otherwise it’s just so strange.

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LoremIpsumCici · 10/08/2025 23:05

Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 23:02

I must remember at all times that any concern I have as a woman can only be equal to or lesser than that of a man. Will write it down 😅.

Not any concern, just this specific concern, sharing the real data is meant to reassure you that your risk isn’t as high as you seem to perceive. You’re limiting your life and showing anxiety over a fear that, while rational, you have let grow out of proportion to reality.

Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 23:06

Hobbes8 · 10/08/2025 23:03

If the men are worried about being attacked by other men, they should feel free to start their own post, perhaps on a website targeted at men. Then we can we talk about our worries as women without a load of bullshit male apologists?

They’ll be the same lot who demand to know when International Men’s Day is every year.

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Hobbes8 · 10/08/2025 23:06

LoremIpsumCici · 10/08/2025 23:00

Good post @SquishedMallow

WTF? It’s a terrible post! It basically says stop being angry and don’t go for a run, little lady.

Hobbes8 · 10/08/2025 23:07

Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 23:06

They’ll be the same lot who demand to know when International Men’s Day is every year.

November 19th.

Also: EVERY FUCKING DAY!

LoremIpsumCici · 10/08/2025 23:07

Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 23:02

I think you’re mixing up me and another poster.

Sorry how? You asked me a question about how is my post relevant to your post and I answered back to you.

Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 23:07

Hobbes8 · 10/08/2025 23:06

WTF? It’s a terrible post! It basically says stop being angry and don’t go for a run, little lady.

I think both posters are probably best off ignored.

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LoremIpsumCici · 10/08/2025 23:10

Hobbes8 · 10/08/2025 23:06

WTF? It’s a terrible post! It basically says stop being angry and don’t go for a run, little lady.

No it says you shouldn’t take out your anger on any man who is actually sympathising and you can either let the fear control you and not go for walks/runs or you can do the risk assessment, realise it’s not that dangerous and get on with your life- as in go for that walk or run.

SquishedMallow · 10/08/2025 23:12

Hobbes8 · 10/08/2025 23:06

WTF? It’s a terrible post! It basically says stop being angry and don’t go for a run, little lady.

No it doesn't. Stop being so knee jerk sensationalist.

InfoSecInTheCity · 10/08/2025 23:13

My daughter is 11 years old and tall for her age so is seen as older. Yesterday at a food festival in the middle of the afternoon in a huge public park with people everywhere I had to stare down 3 middle aged men looking her up and down with ‘that’ look on their faces. I was incensed, seriously felt like just going up to them and poking their filthy pervert eyes out with my nails.

Hobbes8 · 10/08/2025 23:14

SquishedMallow · 10/08/2025 23:12

No it doesn't. Stop being so knee jerk sensationalist.

But…it does say both of those things.

RepoTheGeriatricOpera · 10/08/2025 23:14

Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 23:07

I think both posters are probably best off ignored.

You're right, I recognise one of their names from just about every thread where a woman talks about her experiences or fears.

They must have a little bell go off when there's a chance to defend men and minimise women's feelings.

Sad really.

Definitely best off ignored.

LoremIpsumCici · 10/08/2025 23:14

Givemeanamethen · 10/08/2025 23:07

I think both posters are probably best off ignored.

Who me? If so why? I’m a woman just like you.

Have you ever been a victim of a knife attack in a rural place?

So why do you want to ignore a woman who has lived experience of what you say you fear so much you can’t go for walks/runs any more?

Why is it so important to you that some of us are saying that your irritation that men never have to have the concern of being attacked is just not true, they do have these same concerns and the crime statistics show they are actually more likely to be victims of attacks by strangers anywhere outside the home than are women.

The men who are the biggest danger to women are the men they live with or have had a relationship with. You’re more likely to die in your bedroom than on a walk or run.

SquishedMallow · 10/08/2025 23:14

LoremIpsumCici · 10/08/2025 23:10

No it says you shouldn’t take out your anger on any man who is actually sympathising and you can either let the fear control you and not go for walks/runs or you can do the risk assessment, realise it’s not that dangerous and get on with your life- as in go for that walk or run.

Thankyou. I'm glad you can comprehend my post. To be honest, I think there's little point engaging in this thread. The op wants a pity party and will aggressively attack anyone that offers anything different from her angry narrative.

Oh well, it's not us going to sleep with all that pent up anger about things that fundamentally can't be changed (like accepting we risk assess what we do tailored to our individual circumstances) 😌

SquishedMallow · 10/08/2025 23:15

Hobbes8 · 10/08/2025 23:14

But…it does say both of those things.

No. It really doesn't.