To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?

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I am not excusing grooming, paedophile sex rings and unmonitored immigration at all but I hate all these protests.
I know that my white male ex teacher is a sex offender. Not to mention the Epstein scandal.
Aibu to think that ALL men are a danger to women...not just men of different ethnicities/ religions etc?

It is you who is trying to derail* *the thread. You want this discussion to be about the far-right. It is not.

I'm going to assume by your failure to answer (twice) that you are indeed a man.
On the subject of VAWG, it is absolutely my business to know whether I am conversing with a man. Why are you advising women how to feel on this subject?

This applies to your posts though.

Er, no, I'm pointing out the disingenuousness of taking positions that aren't far right anx claiming that they are. That's a very good way to make people far right: tell them they already are even when they're not.

As you're doing right now by telling me I've said that their aim is to protect women. I've said nothing of the kind, but you're now accusing me of being far right, even while you also accuse me of being disingenuous.

Do you see how this kind of dishonest, hypocritical, disingenuous and accusatory approach might turn people to the far right even if they weren't actually there before?

Who says immigrants are a threat?!!! You've been reading the daily fail

Projection at its finest, you bring up trans rights and blame Labour for the Tories failure and then tell me I'm derailing the thread. You're also trying to bully me into revealing personal information.

It's my argument that the far right are weaponising VAWAG in order to push their agenda. This thread is about race, immigration and VAWAG therefore I'm not derailing the thread, I'm discussing the thread topic. Now you're derailing by refusing to discuss the thread topic and are focusing on me. It's very tiresome.

In the UK we have equal rights for men and women as well as laws against acts of violence.

When you have people coming into a country that are oblivious to these laws then yes, its fair to say that these people would be more of a risk of carrying out sexual attacks if they come from somewhere where that is OK.

But there are also British nationals who know the laws and still choose to carry out vile acts.

47% of sexual offences in London were commited by foreign nationals last year but they only make up 25% of Londons population .

People turn to the far right because they become indoctrinated. Our right wing press, in particular the Daily Mail and Telegraph, have daily stories on how dangerous foreigners are. This is emphasised online, Twitter for example, has algorithms pushing a far right agenda. The racism there is horrific. Far right organisations are running local Facebook sites, for example, Epping, and organising protests and busing in activists.

You seem to be blaming people for pointing this out, for giving counter arguments and saying that they're soley responsible for other people's thoughts and behaviour. It's bizarre.

What narrative?

Deflection at it's finest. As expected.

Up until recently the same posters were using ‘far right’ against anyone speaking up for single sex spaces. It’s more of the same.

Blaming the concerns that many women have on the influence of, or an affiliation with, the far-right. It's a nonsense.

It is. Same with the rape gangs.

Much of what some call 'far right fear-mongering' is what others recognise as speaking the truth and exercising common sense. 'Far right' has become a meaningless insult, like the tiresome habit of labelling any differing opinion or set of values as 'phobic' or some type of '-ism'.

Obviously any man of any nationality or culture can pose a threat to a woman, but let's not pretend that men from certain cultures aren't overrepresented when it comes to violence against random women. That doesn't mean all men from those cultures will be violent, but it's still worth acknowledging.

It’s just aligned to being pro Labour, so if they switch on SS the pp will too. Anything not that is ‘far right’.

People turn to the far right because they become indoctrinated

In the space of this exchange, you've accused me of being far right and told me I think it's protecting women, even though the very first thing I said to you was agreeing that it weaponises VAWG. Now you're accusing me of "blaming" you for mentioning right wing news outlets. I haven't done that either. I've pointed out that when you accuse people of being far right when they're not, when you lie about what they've said, when you take reasonable positions like inquiries into rape gangs or single sex spaces and equate them with fascism, racism and extremism... you're going to lose support and yes, you're going to turn them far right.

People will certainly be affected by media but they will also be affected by supposed left wingers telling them flat out lies and telling them their reasonable viewpoints mean they're far right already. The first thing I did was agree with you about VAWG and still you accused me of thinking the far right were great on it. You think that makes you look reasonable? You think that's how to win people over?

It’s nothing to do with colour or race (as the OP is conflating) but with culture.

If you have immigrated from a backward misogynistic culture, that doesn’t suddenly change the moment you set foot in a foreign country.

Add to that that certain waves of immigration are predominantly young single men and you do have the right conditions for some of them to be a threat to women and girls.

Assuming the immigrants assimilate, even over two generations, they cease to be a threat. But if they choose to live in ghettos and speak their own languages, the threat will persist.

Some people live under a rock and have no idea of the influence of social media. For example, young men being radicalised by incels and influencers like Andrew Tate. There have been people murdered by incels but social media had nothing to do with that despite the extremist content they viewed.

Despite the rise of the far right in the West, far right political parties in Europe, Trump in the US and far right organisations buying land to develop all white communities in the UK, this is something I'm dreaming up.

Despite far right organisations hijacking asylum seeker protests, wearing balaclavas and trying to break into hotels. Running local Facebook pages to organise events and busing in activists, I'm making it up. It's me apparently, who doesn't have a clue.

And the far right culture is deeply misogynistic and violent - so yes blame culture and yes don’t ignore the white cultures that are bad in favor of other bad cultures

No -I’ve lived in Muslim countries - it’s safer here

There are some leftists who think the rise of the right is entirely down to what the right does, and absolutely nothing to do with what the left is doing. I suppose that makes it easier to shout at people, and saves you the bother of honesty in your interactions, but it doesn't do much for creating a viable alternative.

I strongly suspect that a majority of people aren't far right, but politically homeless. They won't vote Reform but they also won't vote for a party that tells them they're racist extremists for wanting an inquiry into how rape gangs got away with it for so long.

No one is ‘living under a rock’ they just don’t see the issue surrounding women’s safety from a Labour polling perspective.

The posters here are not ‘far right’ anymore than those who were accused of it when they spoke up for single sex spaces.

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Thank you. Spot on.
It is absolutely about culture, and what is seen as the norm in other parts of the world.

It is not far-right to be worried about that.

There have been threats on here saying that. Also Robert Jenrick of the Conservatives and Reform have been saying that. Robert Jenrick used figures, which were analysed by BBC Verify on a Radio 4 programme - the outcome of that was that one of his figure may or may not to correct but the other one was not correct or probably wasn't correct and apparently he was wrong to be using the data in the way he used it (can't remember the reasoning for that).