To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?

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I am not excusing grooming, paedophile sex rings and unmonitored immigration at all but I hate all these protests.
I know that my white male ex teacher is a sex offender. Not to mention the Epstein scandal.
Aibu to think that ALL men are a danger to women...not just men of different ethnicities/ religions etc?

What total indifference to women's rights? It's part of Labour's manifesto to half domestic violence - how is that total indifference?

None of the views the far right hold are 'reasonable', the far right by definition are extremists.

There's a video on Instagram of an anti migrant protest , lots of Union flags etc. Several of the men are grabbing their genitals and making obscene hand gestures - presumably at some woman/ women filming them? A couple of women in their midst don't seem to mind this. Two female police officers present are commendably restrained. Perhaps they've seen it all before . These are the lads who want to ' protect our children '.

The UK doesn’t publish crime stats split by national origin.

Some European countries do, and they show vastly differing offending rates for sexual crimes between different countries of origin.

So to answer your question you really need to get more specific.

All men being a risk is trivially true, but if you are serious about discussing risk rates you must be ready to engage with the evidence wherever it leads. In the UK unfortunately that’s hard to do because official data is not published.

Someone who guesses that some countries’ men are a huge extra threat relative to UK men would be on reasonably strong grounds, though, based on what we see elsewhere.

They’re factually, demonstrably more of a threat.

Non white men?

why do you have to choose

Sorry but that’s just silly.

Are any of the views the far left holds reasonable? Clearly yes (I say as a centre-rightist). The far left holds many reasonable views, and many unreasonable ones.

If the far right are against sex attacks committed by immigrants, that’s one of the reasonable views they hold.

All men are a potential threat. Some men I have no choice but to live alongside- my neighbours, people who grew up here, enjoyed our education system and culture and still turned into abusive bollocks.

Others didn't have that advantage, so perhaps have cultural excuses for their behaviour- but I would prefer they stayed in the culture they grew up in than came and lived next door to me.

I saw a statistic from a women’s rights group comparing India, Pakistan and Bangladeshi for abuse of women and girls. The difference between the three countries was huge. 85% of women in Pakistan experience abuse, something like 40% Bangladesh and only 30% in India.

I consider it foolhardy to ignore those statistics.

I don’t think this is true. Do you have stats?

So you're sympathetic to the far right? You understand that they're racists and will use any argument in order to have an ethnostate? They want mass remigration and are manipulating people into turning against asylum seekers and Muslim men by labelling them all as rapists and paedophiles.

You're sympathetic to them trying to break into hotels to attack people? You're sympathetic to them stirring up hatred and division in local communities and making people feel unsafe?

Women should be wary around all men, but it's not a question of the men from which ethnicity are worse or more dangerous.

What is causing the demonstrations is the perception (whether true or not) that ethnic perpetrators are not being pursued and punished with as much zeal as white perpetrators, and in fact if they do commit these offences the authorities bend over backwards to keep it quiet.

The recent scandal around the Rotherham rape gangs, which was clearly covered up for decades because it was believed that it would trigger racist attacks against the community, has caused this backlash. Everyone in the regions knew it was happening, and they saw the authorities doing nothing to stop it because the men doing it were of Pakistani origin. How has that played out long term? It's made everything worse - not least for the victims of that horrendous abuse.

Of course there are still native white sex offenders, but acrosss Europe the number of sexual assaults by male migrants/asylum seekers has risen by leaps and bounds.

You would have to be quite dense not to see what is making people angry here. We need to deal with the actual facts if we want to solve the problem.

What stats?

OP the stats wouldn't agree with you - there are defininitely differences based on differing attitudes to women depending on cultural background.

I don't think it's useful to specifically include skin colour.

How many white men in recent years raped and killed white girls. Many. And it's on the news

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Give over. Labour didn't even know what a woman was until the SC forced them.

It's not just the far right who are worried about some of the men who are arriving here, and the cultural norms they are bringing with them. And no, it's not about skin colour.

Not sympathetic, no.

None of what you wrote follows from what I wrote.

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The right wing media is whipping up fears and fudging its facts, we all know it.

pressgazette.co.uk/the-wire/newspaper-corrections-media-mistakes-errors-legal/telegraph-sex-crimes-foreigners-headline-ipso-ruling/

This is completely overwrought straw man stuff. You will not win the argument with this hyperbole.

Frankly this is exactly the sort of gaslighting guff that people are totally sick of hearing.

Don't be ridiculous. The trans takeover happened under the Tories and was inherited by Labour. You're suggesting that a load of racists with histories of domestic abuse care about women's safety? Now who's naive?

Great counter argument from someone who thinks the far right are reasonable.

Can't believe this thread is allowed to stand. Imagine if the OP had made a thread about any other origin

I'm describing how the far right are not reasonable and have given you examples of why not.

Yes of course. Labour are awesome on women's rights aren't they. <polite cough>

It is you who keeps referencing the far right as it suits your narrative. I'm not far right. I doubt many others on this thread are either. I still have concerns about men from highly misogynistic cultures.

Are you a woman? Just so we know.

These threads are frustrating because they imply that there is a very clear yes I agree or no I disagree.

The way I see it is that yes men are capable of these crimes no matter their skin colour or where they are from. The issue with irregular migration is that it’s harder to ascertain what character you’re inviting to integrate in to our society, but also that culturally certain behaviours are more tolerated than here and so it’s hard to know if someone will adapt to that. So the debate is based around trying to see in to the distance and doing as much damage control as possible.

I hate immigrant bashing - the riots, the hatred online, click bait articles from questionable newspapers, Nigel Farage posting screenshots of job openings and implying ‘Islam is taking over’ stirring up hatred in the comments section. But the reality is that the vast majority of those migrants will be alright, they will keep their heads down and get on with whatever they need to do, maybe settle down with a nice family. But a tiny percentage will offend, whether it’s sexual or tax evasion - doesn’t matter. And it’s about saying what do we do to control that and avoid it, rather than widening the pool of male offenders that are in the country.