To think that white British/ American etcmen are just as much a threat to women as migrants?

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I am not excusing grooming, paedophile sex rings and unmonitored immigration at all but I hate all these protests.
I know that my white male ex teacher is a sex offender. Not to mention the Epstein scandal.
Aibu to think that ALL men are a danger to women...not just men of different ethnicities/ religions etc?

You’re either unusually bad at reasoning or not arguing in good faith.

You’re right op. Men commit most of the violent and sexual crime so it’s all men we should be wary of.

It is a worry however, when there is an influx of low skilled, poorly educated men raised in cultures where women are expected to be ‘modest’. The mindset is that if a women ‘tempts’ a man (through dress or speech) she is seen as responsible for whatever he does to her. I’d rather not have those men imported in large numbers thanks.

We’ve got enough problems with misogny as it is.

@MiloMinderbinder925

Your claim was that none of the far right’s views are reasonable. That’s a different claim from the far right is not reasonable.

Judging whether a view is reasonable is different from judging whether a movement is.

You can’t hold your position constant from one post to the next. Not worth engaging with.

Agree with this. There’s no doubt men commit most crimes, we can still have a better system for entry into the country.

You know nothing about Labour's history on women's rights evidently, and as I said, it was part of their manifesto to half domestic violence. That's not total indifference to women's rights.

You're being manipulated by the far right, they've weaponised VAWAG to push their racist agenda. And yes, unfortunately for you, tarring all men from certain ethnicities as rapists and paedophiles is racist.

I don’t agree with the protests, rioting , violence and racism. The hypocrisy is annoying as fuck. Especially when some of the same voices defend the “local legend” and shame and disparage their victims.

I do agree the problem is men. In which case, having even more men around , increases the risk , that’s before you even take into account the possible trauma, mental health issues, too much time on their hands , their dehumanisation, their attitudes to women etc.

Can anyone confirm that the risk profile for women from men is the same worldwide? No difference between regions? I always thought some countries were safer than others, but perhaps not.

The far right are racist and want an ethnostate. That's the premise on which their arguments are based and you find them reasonable. Next you'll be telling me that Tommy Robinson is just misunderstood.

Look at the rape statistics for Sweden, in particular the nationality of the rapists
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

YABU.

Nope I'm not being manipulated by anyone I'm afraid. I understand that it must be difficult for you to digest that not all of the people who are worried are far right. As for Labour, well they seem to think that some of us have a penis so...

I will ask again, are you a woman?

Of course all men are potential problems but respecting the laws and attitudes of the country that you’ve moved to should probably be a condition of asylum or the right to stay in a country. This obviously goes for drug smuggling Brits (“it’s just weed”) and Brits who emigrate to Spain as well as people from countries where they kill gay people and think that rape isn’t a big deal. Maybe there needs to be mandatory classes while waiting for asylum to be granted because I suspect that some of them don’t even see their behaviour as problematic.

Well obviously women are more at risk from white men as we’re a predominantly white country , now the percentage of men from different ethnicities committing sexual crimes within their demographic percentage, I don’t know

Ok — last opportunity to show you are capable of engaging properly.

You didn’t answer whether you think the far left holds any reasonable views.

Do you?

That will help us work out how we are each conceiving of the terms here, and hence why we might be disagreeing.

(I do, by the way. That’s not, in my conception, a claim that the far left overall is reasonable, and certainly doesn’t entail that I support all views held by the far left.)

None of the views the far right hold are 'reasonable'

Of course, which is why it's such a spectacular own goal, not to mention hugely dishonest, to take views that are reasonable and accuse them of being far right. I don't want to derail, but people have been accused of being far right for wanting single sex spaces or a proper inquiry into the rape gangs scandal. When you try to shut people up by calling them far right over things like that, don't be surprised if they start wondering what's so wrong about being far right.

It's also entirely possible to be unreasonable but not far right.

Can anyone confirm that the risk profile for women from men is the same worldwide? No difference between regions? I always thought some countries were safer than others, but perhaps not.

The sexual violence stats from various European countries do show an over-representation of men from certain countries and regions, yes.

@MiloMinderbinder925 - can you explain why a recent rapist’s defence (a patient attacking woman in a London hospital) was that in his culture this wasn’t unacceptable?

Why in many countries are women expected, nay, mandated , to dress modestly or to be covered completely?

It's absolutely none of your business if I'm female or not. The Tories were happily allowing dangerous men into women's prisons and hospital wards and May tried to bring in self ID. The Tories let schools teach about hundreds of different gender identities yet you seem to be blaming Labour. Not only are you willfully blind to the right's record on women's rights, you're trying to derail the thread.

The far right are weaponising VAWAG, they are busing in activists, running local Facebook pages to sow division and are rampant on social media trying to push their agenda. And here you are, quite by coincidence.

Why are you asking me to explain some rapist's defence and explain other cultures?

Sure, there are plenty of evil, abusive white men. But that's not the point. The problem with immigration is:

1. We have no idea who these boatloads of young men really are. Most either throw away their documents or have none to begin with. The left seem to think every immigrant is a poor frightened refugee "fleeing war and persecution". No doubt some are. But I suspect the majority of these young men are just rootless drifters. In fact, I suspect a few are fleeing the police rather 'war and persecution.' For all we know, some of them are wanted for rape or sexual assault in their home country and that's why they've left. There was a case recently of an illegal immigrant from the Congo called Anicet Mayala. Human rights groups fought his deportation and won. He's now in prison for raping a 15-year-old girl. I wonder if those activists feel guilty?

2. These are mostly young men. If they were women, or older men with their wives, they'd pose less of a threat. But young men, especially when they arrive in a small town in large numbers, are going to be sexually frustrated. It's one of the big dangers in war, of course, when soldiers (all young men) are billeted in a small town. Everywhere I look in my home town I see groups of young immigrant men wandering around. My neighbour no longer goes into town because she's too scared. Watch a Youtube clip of Alex Philips describing what it's like to be a young woman in modern London – the constant harassment she experiences from men who can barely speak English, etc. She's not expressing her opinion. She's telling you a fact.

3. Cultural differences. There are cultural differences, whether you like it or not. In some cultures, an unmarried, sexually active woman is viewed as a prostitute. Even a woman who walks down the street without a man is "asking for it." One of the things that came through strongly in the grooming scandal was the utter contempt the men felt for their victims.

I didn’t say that, you are putting words into peoples’ mouths.

You wouldn’t know an argument if you saw it, let alone a counter argument. Your whole standpoint is anyone who disagrees with me is a far right racist. That just won’t wash any more. I could just as well accuse of not caring how many girls are raped and killed.

I can’t be bothered with your crazed mitherings any more.

You're being disingenuous. The premise of arguments by the far right are based on having an ethnostate. They're racists, extremists and have been found to commit a lot of domestic abuse. They're certainly not feminists so why do you believe their aim is to protect women?

Again, no counter argument, just sad personal attacks. Anyone would think you haven't given your bigotry any thought.

“I tripped and fell” was successfully used in a rape case. Anything(that a defence lawyer might come up with) goes.Sometimes the jury/judge sees it as the bollocks it is, sometimes they don’t.

Nearly every British drug mule/dealer that is caught abroad also claims they “didn’t know/understand”.