Why does everyone say they love being fat until they get their hands on skinny jabs?

[Holmints]

I’m seeing this so much on social media. People screaming from the rooftops how they love their bodies. Hate comments come and they combat them with body positivity, I admired them so much.

Lately though, the very people who were oh-so-body-positive are popping back up five stone lighter. Some comment on it and some don’t, as if they’re waiting for people to ask. Hang on a minute, I thought you loved your big body? Did you love being fat or not?

I think it's possible for both to be true, to love yourself, dress well and be confident when overweight but also want to use mounjaro /try and lose weight for the health benefits and because clothes do often hang better and you have more choice.
As PP said they aren't mutually exclusive.
The most important thing is to show kindness and respect no matter what size someone is.
I think its good to show people of all shapes and sizes on adverts, TV, film etc
When buying clothes it's great when they are shown on different size models so you can get more of a grasp on how it would look like on you.
I hope body positivity wasn't just a fad but continues.

Look you're really not doing yourself any favours here. Are you aware your critical thinking skills are non existent? You've inadvertently wandered in to a debate among people who are educated and genuinely knowledgeable about WLI. Perhaps best if you just exit quietly, stage left.

No I won't be exiting stage left, as I do what I want to do, not what you want me to do.

That's fine, but I don't know why you want to discuss something that you don't know much about, or why anyone would think your view is noteworthy. Lots of people are on lifelong medication. Why is this different? Also, you don't need to lose weight forever. Once you are at your target, you need to maintain only which is a different process. The tablets now coming onto the market are less effective than MJ but may do the trick to top up GLP1 levels enough for maintenance. Now that discovery has been made it's application I'm sure will widen. Lots of people on MJ have reported a reduction in other issues such as joint inflammation allowing them to walk and exercise more.
There's really no point taking a stance on anything if all you know about it is from media articles or AI generated clips of them or one or two anecdotes.

What are your thoughts on what I posted about the pharma company that make Ozempic?

That they paid 22 million to UK healthcarw professionals to promote Ozempic in tne Uk.

That they got suspended

That after this, they got into trouble again for making payments to healthcare professionals.

You haven't written your thoughts on this yet. I would love to hear them.

Still here and putting in a request for some evidence to back up the claim you made about your mums doctor lying about her diagnosis in exchange for a bribe 🙏

What do you think the gotcha is with the pharma company paying healthcare professionals? They’re a company trying to promote a product, probably as ethical as nestle promoting formula milk to mothers in the third world. Doesn’t mean formula milk doesn’t work, or that Ozempic doesn’t work. Just that the companies are trying to maximise profit.

@pamelanoon my thought are that if you really think your mum's Dr is doing something illegal / unethical you'd be reporting them to the BMJ. I am also not naive enough to think that pharma is anything other than big business but that the products they make also help / cure etc. I'm not sure why you think your mum's case is some kind of gotcha against those who are using WLI to carefully reduce their dangerously overweight BMI. One thing doesn't cancel out another.

Totally agree. Any supposed shady dealings don’t take away the fact that these are fantastic drugs. As I said upthread, the evidence of that is clear to see.

I lost weight back in 2010 anbd got down to 8 stone size 8 - and my Facebook friend said “well I’m happy being fat” - she was 5ft2 and 13 stone. Now she’s had Mounjaro, looks much slimmer and better and says it’s the best thing she’s ever done!

“the drug is marketed as "you were not able to lose weight without taking this drug, you will only be able to lose weight if you take this drug".
Everyone i know that is taking mounjaro, is saying that they want to take it for the rest of their life, as they are afraid that if they stop, they will put the weight back on”

If you’re obese, statistically you will not lose weight and keep it off. Maybe this is being used as a marketing ploy, but study after study has shown this to be true.

I’m seriously considering mounjaro, the main reason being that I’ve spent the last 40 years yo-yoing between 14 and 20 stone. I’m at an age where my obesity gives me a poor prognosis even with no other factors.
The drug has been used for long enough to know that it’s safe.

I tend towards being sceptical about big pharma’s antics, and I really do think there needs to be better regulation, but in the case of weight loss injections I feel I am likely to live a longer, more fulfilling life if I can lose the weight and maintain it.

I was happier being thin. But I wasn't happier during the process of becoming thin, so staying big was the better option. I think Mounjaro has joined the two for me this time, I prefer being slimmer and I prefer the journey now it isn't all consuming. Maybe your friend feels the same?

Pharma company finances have been well documented with regards to funding conferences, training etc. I have a stack of post its and pens with all sorts of drug names on them that I will probably never get through in my life. My favorite is my Prozac stapler.

The statement was made for a GP prescribing a medication wrongly in order to personally benefit.

Back to the thread.

I am currently two stone down and it is very noticable. I plan to stay on WLI for life when I hit maintenance. As I previously said, I eat very little, I am almost alcohol free and I was piling on the weight. My biggest future risks to my health are various cancers if they are passed down to me and I can help to try to avoid this by maintaining a healthy weight and looking after myself as best I can. I was deeply unhappy being fat and I at no point felt it was good for me or felt empowered by it.

So, you actually want to come across as being rather dim and woefully ignorant about the topic we're discussing? Weird? Fine, but Weird?

Every single drug being prescribed has, at some point, been marketed to HCPs, by the pharmaceutical company that manufactured it. That's thousands of medicines that actually work and enhance and save billions of lives, irrespective of how they're marketed.

It's almost like you don't understand that we live in a capitalist society.

What do you mean its not just a bunch of Statisticians and Scientists in lab coats plotting world domination by BIG PHARMA 😂

The have Sales Reps??? 😉I did wonder how the multi billion drug development pipeline manages to sustain itself.

Every single drug being prescribed has, at some point, been marketed to HCPs, by the pharmaceutical company that manufactured it. That's thousands of medicines that actually work and enhance and save billions of lives, irrespective of how they're marketed.

This. What do you think pharma sales reps do - go around bribing doctors? Or any other sales reps for that matter - I had one trying to sell me a new software solution, does this mean the solution is evil?

BIG SOFTWARE is out to get us too, careful now.

Yes, that is quite literally what @pamelanoon thinks they do. Bribed her mums doctor to wrongly diagnose her in order to prescribe meds she didn't need.

It's a revelation isn't it? Presumably @pamelanoon thinks that pharmaceutical companies should invest billions in developing, researching and manufacturing drugs and then not tell a single soul about it.

can you imagine...

"oh yeah we cured cancer in 1974, but we didn't want to brag"

Being happy about mounjaro doesn't mean she wasn't happy being fat!

One doesn't disprove the other
I never disliked MYSELF or MY BODY fat. I prefer it fat to skinny in fact.

It's the other aspects of being fat I don't like: the health implications, the bias at work, having to consume a lot of fast fashions just to have basics that fit etc

But not myself and my actual body

I'm probably nicer too, being thin makes me a bit ragey because people really show their fat phobe face to you. Getting more respect at work makes me angry not flattered. Aquaintances treating me like losing weight is the most interesting thing I've done in my life ...
.. I think I interact better with the world when I'm actually fat, and ppl are less overt (not less obvious, just less overt) about their fat phobias. When thin I'm biting back left right n centre at it.

When you've experienced the same people as a fat person and then as a thin person... A fairly large percentage of them become less likable the more they like YOU as you shrink!

When you met them as a fat person it's not so bad, you just think, maybe I'm not the best candidate to be coached for promotion or maybe I'm just not interesting to them.

Shrink though, and THEY become ugly in how they change towards you. Suddenly you're viewed as more hard working and the right man for the job, or seen as more likely to be up for fun invites.

This is just one of the ways that I'm not lying when I say I WAS happy fat. And also I love WLIs for leveling the physical / health playing field

There are so many facets around the psychological impact of losing weight.

Going from invisible to men to once again on their radar, is NOT a positive for everyone.

Fat is a protective layer, not just biologically and evolutionary wise, but also psychologically and socially. It's literally a buffer.

When you lose weight and lose that buffer you have to deal more with aspects of yourself and society that you might have been able to avoid when fat.

The reasons why people said they were happy to be fat go beyond a bit of body positivity marketing. Unless you don't think that fat people are capable of being complex and complicated multifaceted individuals.

And all the while, as I'm more angry inside, people still like me MORE.

When I was happier inside but fat, every question was met with an eye roll, my contributions to conversation were read as annoying, boring, even aggressive..

Now that I AM actually feeling a bit aggressive, and do even MEAN to be rude at times, I'm listened to, taken seriously, and appreciated for what I have to say

It's infuriating.

And then all the people telling us (ex fatties) how much HAPPIER we are now ARGH! 😤

I'm happy to be healthier and to reduce my risk of dying on my family

I'm happy to be able to shop ethically in line with my environmental concerns: 2nd hand and eco brands i much more accessible for certain sizes. I don't have to buy fast fashion brands, and yes I did HAVE to, f* off anyone who thinks it's a choice over a certain size!

I'm happy about the other side effects of WLIs: focus, cured caffeine addiction, pain relief

I'm happy that WLIs take away the noise that was preventing me from taking my time with food prep so I can role model healthy lifestyles to my family.

But please fcking fCK off telling me and everyone else that I only like MYSELF this way!!!!!

I'm the same damn person I was when you looked at me and only saw "SAD FAT LADY" and losing weight has not been the most interesting thing I've done in life, not is it my biggest achievement!

Very true - when I was fat I protected myself from humiliation because I didn’t go anything socially

when I was normal weight I put myself out there more and therefore was much more bullying humiliation cuz I wasn’t streetwise

Very true - when I was fat I protected myself from humiliation because I didn’t go anything socially

when I was normal weight I put myself out there more and therefore was much more bullying humiliation cuz I wasn’t streetwise