Why does everyone say they love being fat until they get their hands on skinny jabs?

[Holmints]

I’m seeing this so much on social media. People screaming from the rooftops how they love their bodies. Hate comments come and they combat them with body positivity, I admired them so much.

Lately though, the very people who were oh-so-body-positive are popping back up five stone lighter. Some comment on it and some don’t, as if they’re waiting for people to ask. Hang on a minute, I thought you loved your big body? Did you love being fat or not?

God you are always leaving out parts. I didnt say that what you said about the weight management course is wrong.

This is the part that you were wrong about

You wrote

"No mention of doctors being paid per incorrect pill here".

When the article states that it found that the pharmaceutcial company paid UK healthcare professsionals 22 million to promote Ozempic.

So there WAS mention of people being paid to promote a drug. That is a serious conflict of interest

The BMJ tracked all disclosed non-research payments to NHS trusts in England from 2015 to 2022 reported in Disclosure UK, a database run by the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry (ABPI), which requires participating companies to disclose cash payments and other benefits in kind to healthcare professionals and organisations.

In total, there were 58,302 payments worth £156,882,790 made to 217 NHS trusts, which make up a fifth of the value of all payments to healthcare organisations listed in the database, such as general practices, commissioning bodies, professional societies and medical schools.

Does anyone have any thoughts on how the pharma company paid 22 millipn pounds to healthcare professionals in the UK, to promote Ozempic in the UK?

Do you still think it is a wonder drug.

A lot of the hype came from the marketing of it

Yes my quote came after that section, as you’ll have seen. So one source said there were payments, one said they didn’t recognise that to be accurate. Neither say those payments were directly to doctors for a per script payment.

Yes I think it’s a wonder drug because the results speak for themselves.

Being a commodity doesn’t make it less effective. Sky TV is pretty heavily advertised, it still does what they say it does.

@pamelanoon are you obese or diabetic

The report says that the BMJ investigated 217 trusts, and 1 trust said that the findings were not accurate.

What are your thoughts on the other 216 trusts?

This. What’s good about it? Its heavy to carry around, wears your body down as you age, stops you doing things that are enjoyable, causes chaffing and pain and, eventually, possible disability and early death. There is literally nothing good about it.

Wholeheartedly agree. I cannot wrap my head around anyone liking being fat. It makes life so much more difficult.

But there's lots of us out there who get un-fat, and are more unhappy than ever.

Bariatric surgery makes some people suicidal! There can be a huge psychological toll to weight LOSS.

Thing is you have to already love yourself in order to commence deliberate weight loss (in a healthy way), you gotta start from a place of kindness to yourself. It's too hard to even start if you're not there. So why is it so hard to believe fat people who say they're feelin' themselves big, who THEN go on to lose weight.

If you like yourself you are more likely to take care of yourself. And that does mean not being obese. But the motivator isn't necessarily hating yourself and your body when big.

I was looking online. I see that Novo nordisk (the maker of Ozempic and wegovy) got intotrouble AGAIN, after the time that they were suspended for bad practice

A news article from january 2025 says:

The company behind popular weight-loss drugs failed to disclose even more money it paid to healthcare groups and patient organisations , a pharmaceutical watchdog has said.
Novo Nordisk - which manufactures Wegovy, Ozempic and Saxenda - misreported, under-reported or did not disclose funding it gave to pharmacy firms, obesity charities and other professional bodies, according to the Prescription Medicines Code of Practice Authority (PMCPA).

i didn’t hear the other 216s responses. But even if they all agreed with the BMJs findings, I’d say it still doesn’t prove that your mums doctor lied about her diagnosis to be paid cash by a pharmaceutical company

Ok? They were suspended for bad practice, they clearly aren’t good actors. Doesn’t make the story about your mums doctor any more true than when you posted it the first time.

God you are an aggressive individual.

Ive pointed out multiple articles where health professionals have been found to be receiving payments from pharma companies.

Yet you still dont believe that it happened to my mum.

Fine, dont believe what happened to my mum.

Lets look at the article that i posted. What do you think about that pharma company paying 22 million to healthcare professionals in the UK to promote and market Ozempic.

Do you think that was a conflict of interest?

You are very defensive because of all the facts that i am supplying. You are getting backed into a corner.

Why is my mums case, more important than the 22 million that a pharma companu paid to healthcare professionals to promote a drug ? That is a proven fact

Yet you keep going on about my mum over and over.

Reply about the proven facts in the article. What do you think of the 22 million paid by a pharma company to healthcare professionals in the UK to promote a weighy loss drug?

You aren’t supplying me with facts about the case you’re trying to prove happened.

If I claim, men have landed on the moon and then send you articles about landings on Mars, that doesn’t prove my point does it.

The reason I’m going on and on about your mum is because I completely disbelieve you and that’s why you went off in search of article to back it up. But what you’ve come with is evidence of potential bad practice in the pharmaceutical industry, not that your mums GP misdiagnosed her & deliberately prescribed her something she doesn’t need in exchange for a bribe from a pharmaceutical company.

I’m not aggressive, I’m just not swallowing up your fairy stories and asking for you to back up what you’re saying.

You still haven't answered my question.

What do you think of the 22 million pounds that a pharmaceutical company paid UK healthcare professionals to promote a weight loss drug in the Uk?

This nonsense has really derailed the thread. What is your point, exactly? Even if big pharma are shady as fuck, it doesn’t mean that WLI aren’t a fantastic, life changing medicine for millions of people.

So fantastic that the makers of Ozempic were suspended from an organisation,

and so fantastic that the makers of Ozempic had to pay doctors in the UK millions to get them to promote it to the UK market....

Yes, it’s fantastic. Well, mounjaro is which is what I’m on. The results speak for themselves. And not just for weight loss but for treating diabetes and potentially lots of other conditions.

They would have to strike a lot of doctors off, seeing as when the BMI investigated, 217 trusts were found to have received unexplained payments.

In any other organisation you would be fired for accepting bribes.

In the NHS, it is brushed under the carpet.

No, because yet again you’re completely substituting one fact for another.

If the findings of that study were true, they would have 217 trusts with unexplained payments.

Not 217 doctors who have purposely misdiagnosed patients & prescribed them drugs they don’t need, in exchange for a bribe from a pharmaceutical company.

I think if it’s found to be bad practice, they should be fined.

I think if as a result of this, doctors are being found to prescribe it to patients who don’t need it, in exchange for backhanders from pharma companies as you claim is happening - they should be struck off and prosecuted for fraud and potentially assault.

the reason I’m focusing so much on your mums case is because you brought it up as an example of how doctors lie to exploit patients and make money and you’ve as yet provided no evidence. It’s a hugely serious allegation which needs proof.

You never bought a good product from a bad shop?

Big pharma can be corrupt and all about money, and also produce end products that are actually good for us.

Same as you can buy healthy foods from a bad environmentally polluting supermarket.

You've lost your way somewhere way back along the way of your arguement against people taking WLIs