Do you believe there will be a civil war?

[exhaustedandwholly]

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

No. Go outside and get off your phone for a bit.

I completely agree with you OP and have been feeling exactly the same. I can't help thinking a lot of the new powers being brought in by the government are to curtail any potential uprising.

I think the only reason there aren't more protests is because it's not really the British way and people have become so apathetic. However, pretty much everyone you speak to now is fed up with the state of thing and the amount of tax they pay for not much on return.

I agree with everything you say about multiculturalism as well. I have grown up in a town full of different cultures and am myself a 3rd generation immigrant....the feelings of people have nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture and community.

"Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?"

The difficulty is to get people to stop talking about it

The trouble makers are the ones sewing the seeds of division (Farage, Tommy Robinson, Richard Tice and certain media such as the Daily Mail and the Sun.)

I don't think there will be a civil war, but I know who will be to blame if there is.

I’ve often wondered if the Brits learn Arabic in Dubai or Spanish in Spain when they live in enclaves?

Ahhh but they’re ex pats don’t you know, never immigrants !!!!

Good luck OP x

Op, this sounds like you've written something designed to get people worked up by repeating the sort of talking points circulated on GB news.
Do you have examples of the stuff you're talking about from your own life?

It isn't true at all where I live. My town has had Polish migrants come here since the 1930s at least, and nobody is scared to walk about.

Yesterday I went to a different town and my Uber driver had only been here for a couple of years. He was from Senegal. He was lovely and up for a chat about differences between x town and y town. Very positive.

Most of the people I talk to day to day were born and raised here but when I do meet someone who originated elsewhere they're just as good or dreadful as anyone else could be expected to be.

Why do you think we will have a civil war?

If there is and Brits need to claim asylum….that will be interesting to see!

No. Try getting off your phone and out of the house and talk to some actual people.

I hear Nige who has a bar on Benidorm sea front is fluent en español.

🤔maybe, maybe not.

Perfect example of someone trying to shut down discussion. It is possible to engage even if you don't agree 🤷

You've been listening to David Betz. Why are they allowing him to go on every pod going has me scratching my head.

Why do you think you're not allowed talk about it? There's daily threads on here about the same subject. There's numerous newspapers that push the same agenda, news channels, websites, etc. For something you're not allowed talk about, it seems to be everywhere at the moment!

God no. Civil War indeed. It’s summer! Just had a lovely trip to Wales, enjoyed every minute. Very early blackberries this year. Plenty needs to change but I see lots of things heading in the right direction tbh. All the roadworks are annoying but I do think we’re finally catching up on road repairs.

I wish it were that simple.

I really don’t get the “we aren’t allowed to talk about it”.

That’s all people do talk about.

No they don’t, which is also wrong, and if Spain kicked them out for not integrating we would probably say they got what they deserved.

Despite your "I have muslim neighbours...." - I think you're a racist, a plant, and trying to stir up racist conversation.

There was an interesting article in the Daily Mail today about immigration (quelle surprise!) with one of those interactive maps of the UK. You put in your postcode and it tells you how much the population has grown over the past couple of years, and the number of immigrants/emigrants over that period.

I live in a northern city, and our population has grown by 1%. But interestingly the vast majority of this increase was due to ’internal immigration’ (i.e. British people moving here).

Would this provoke the same “You can’t come here, we’re full” argument? Or are people happy with population growth as long as it’s British people who are moving to their area?

Lol. Agree. My guess is that the OP never stops banging on about it. I was in stansted Tuesday and a completely inoccuous woman looked around passport control and said aloud "Ugh, look at the great unwashed". What the utter fuck.

How on earth could there be an article on immigration in the Daily Mail when we aren’t allowed to talk about it?

Maybe start a thread about it?

Yes, I’ve experienced this first hand. There’s a small town not far from where I live that I visit fairly regularly, and the situation there is quite different from what you describe. The area has a large population of Russians, Bulgarians, and Muslims, and there are even shops with signs in the windows that say 'no English.' This isn’t something I’ve picked up from social media it’s what I’ve seen for myself.

So yes, I have experienced it, and honestly, it isn’t a pleasant situation. I just wish everyone could get on!