Do you believe there will be a civil war?

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I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately and I wonder if others feel the same. With everything going on, from the arrival of illegal migrants in small boats to a government that seems powerless, and with Farage gaining popularity because people are fed up, it feels like tension is rising across the country.

People are frustrated. You try to raise concerns and are instantly labelled a racist or bigot, even when your worries are about integration, safety, and national identity, not race. It feels like any honest conversation is being shut down.

There are parts of the UK where people who were born and raised here no longer feel at home. In some areas, if you are not part of the dominant local community, you can feel completely out of place or even unsafe walking alone at night. That is not right in your own country.

It is not just about people coming from Muslim-majority countries or those arriving illegally. There are also large numbers of Eastern Europeans, including Bulgarians, Romanians, and Russians. Many work hard and contribute, but there are also communities forming where people keep to themselves, speak no English, and make no effort to integrate. Some of these areas are experiencing rising antisocial behaviour, crime, and a breakdown of community life.

You can find videos online showing the state of some of these areas, with rubbish piling up, people ignoring the rules, and no sign of enforcement. It looks lawless, and it often is. But speaking about it honestly is considered of limits.

I live next to a Muslim family and they are wonderful people. Friendly, respectful, hardworking. So this is not about judging individuals. This is about a wider pattern where people are arriving, not integrating, and changing the fabric of our country in ways no one voted for.

We are a Christian country with our own traditions, values, and way of life. Why is it seen as wrong to want to preserve that? If we moved to Saudi Arabia, Bulgaria, or Russia, we would be expected to adapt to their culture. So why is it unacceptable to ask the same here?

The anger and division in this country are growing. I do not want unrest or conflict, but I cannot ignore what feels like a serious shift. When ordinary people feel ignored for too long, things eventually boil over.

Is anyone else feeling this? Or are we just not allowed to talk about it anymore?

The difference is that Brits living in Middle Eastern countries are not importing dangerous ideology that undermines the society they're moving to. When people arrive on small boats, we have no clue what their background is or what their beliefs are about gender equality and so on. Ex pats emigrating legally, from a free and democratic society, are not high risk in the same way.

And to be fair we have plenty of our own rapists born and bred here.

but it seems not many people give quite as much of a shit about those men

I don't see civil war but the country will end up going to the far right like other European countries appear to be.

I'm interested in the assertion of 'rubbish piling up.' Do you mean in Birmingham by any chance (where there is a dispute between the refuse collectors and the Council?) As far as I can see, rubbish in the streets elsewhere in the UK doesn't lay cliam to any ethnic group, but some of the messiest streets are those where the students have recently left.

OP is as likely to be a Russian propagandist as a concerned British citizen. They sow the seeds on social media in the hope that we will take ourselves out with the political unrest it creates. Why people trust that these threads, or the shit on X, TikTok etc are made in good faith is beyond me. And the people who swallow it are the same ones who like to think that they’re the critical thinkers who aren’t taken in by what others want them to believe.

I assume you're excluding your sperm donor in your assessment?

Most immigrants are men.

No OP there won't be. People in Britain on the whole are apathetic.

For a subject that no one can talk about there sure are a shit ton of threads on the matter.

I was going to comment the same. I worked at a school in London and it was just impossible to communicate with some of the parents. The LA wouldn’t stump up for interpreters when I had to have meetings regarding health and social care plans, it was sometimes dangerous in my opinion, when talking about children’s health issues.

My mother in law worked in a school in Birmingham for years and had the same issue. The LA would put on language courses for parents to attend but then their would be complaints about them and they would stop (from native English members of the community saying it was a bad thing, it felt forced, they shouldn’t be made to learn English, madness!)

Definitely not a civil war, pockets of sporadic violence, yes probably, it is Summer after all and certain sections of society do like a bit of mindless thuggery when the weather conditions allow.

I agree men are the problem. But the man problem is worse from certain cultures, where the vast majority of women are treated like shit. Why are we ignoring this?

I agree with you op

That’s different from making an effort to integrate though isn’t it? The point is that Brits rarely integrate and they often stick together in communities when living abroad.

I agree with you although not sure about Farage. He is all talk. Could not bring myself to vote for him

OP can you tell me where about you see huge colonies of Russians? Russians are not part of any special immigration beneficial conditions, unlike refugees, EU citizens or Ukrainians. It is incredibly difficult to get a visa to the UK. Incidentally, Ukrainians speak Russian and they have been arriving in the UK in thousands. Get your facts straight and if you go around blaming nationalities, blame the correct ones.

Wtf are you on about. I'm one of the foreign folks from a Muslim majority country and I agree with OP wholeheartedly. Not all immigrants want to integrate, that's a fact.

Some people on this site are in denial that there is a major problem. If you look on YouTube a lot of immigrants like me say the same thing as OP.

The concept of a Lingua Franca is not new. I say this as a linguist who speaks three languages. In the past, all educated Brits abroad would have been expected to have known French or Italian. Now it's English. I personally think having a small number of widespread languages taught across the globe is incredibly useful for fostering international relations.

This. It’s very common knowledge that foreign actors use social media to destabilise countries from within. Hence posts about immigration or foreigners, abortion, etc.

Oh come on!!

😂

OP also mentions Russians and Bulgarian enclaves where they don’t speak English. What “dangerous ideology” are they importing?

I suspect f it’s not such a major issue. Because any attempt at changing the local culture in say the UAE is likely to get shot down in flames (and potentially get that person thrown in jail). Language is just part of the issue here (although I agree that people who emigrate should learn the local language and make a very conscious effort to integrate into the local culture. I despise the idea of ex pat communities.

Interestingly those who harp on and on about the horrors of colonialism and imposing British culture on other countries seem to also be the ones, welcoming in migrants to do the same here, hypocrisy

Ooh take a picture then and show us these mythical ’no English’ signs in local shops! Gwaan gwaan!😂

😂😂😂 nope.

Yes we do, but why would we accept men with higher rates of rape and abuse towards women?

I don’t know why people try to shut down the immigration issue by assuming rape by homegrown men is acceptable, because it’s clearly not, and there are a great many women doing incredible work to try to make a difference in this area.

Trouble is that courts very often favour men over believing women, which keeps the conviction rate horrifically low. This isn’t going to be solved by continuing to add men from cultures who hate women to the mix.

Yeah, the signs saying no English, written in English.

You do realise the difference in risk profile of documented and undocumented migration don’t you???? And yes and religion which champions ideas that can lead to the death, abuse and misogyny is dangerous.