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To throw my 16 yr old son out after he squared up to me

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summerviews · 03/08/2025 23:31

I have been busy all weekend sanding the staircase. My son brought two big bags of washing down and asked if they could be done. I said of course.
An hour or so had passed and I thought I'd ask him to put a wash on. He did this, no bother.
A couple of hours later I asked him to pop his washing into the dryer. Which he did.
Roll on this evening my eldest came home and wanted to get a wash on ready for work tomorrow. He put it on a quick wash. Once it's done, he goes to the dryer and realises stuff is in there and it's still wet! My 16 yr old son says he doesn't know why, and wants to take it out regardless. I explain that he should keep it in the dryer and let it dry properly or the clothes will stink if left damp or wet. He tells me I'm to blame as the dryer is my responsibility. I let this narky comment slide and calmly tell him to leave the washing in and turn it back on.
I know what's happened, he's put his washing in there earlier and not started it at the beginning of the cycle, so it's only done a half cycle, if that. But I say nothing (I pick my battles).
Literally less than five mins later 16 yr old walks to dryer and begins to pull everything out to check if it's dry yet. 🤦🏼‍♀️ I say "son, do you actually want to die?! In a playful, yet exasperated tone. "Put the washing back in!" I get up and begin to make my way over there to put everything back in, as he's just standing there with an angry look. As I'm walking, he says, "SAY THAT AGAIN!!". I tell him not to talk to me like that, that I'm trying to help him. He is still stood stock still, fists clenched and butts me with his chest (like a 'come on then!' kind of thing) he's done that to me once before a very long time ago and he was distraught with himself for being so horrible to me. I'm shocked at his reactions to say the least as it was never that deep as I now realise he's being aggressive and this is ridiculous behaviour. I tell him to stop and to have some respect, I remind him I'm his mother and to never do that to me again because I won't tolerate it! He then loudly shouts that I'm a "BITCH!" in my face. So I quickly walk away from him. I'm literally gasping for words, as I'm so upset and shocked. I shout to him to pack a bag and get out, that I will not stand for violent abusive behaviour from a child of mine.
I text his dad to come and get him (were not together). I say to him, don't ask my why ATM, son will explain.
He goes upstairs packs some stuff and leaves, shouting a cheery "bye everyone!" as he goes. Once son has left, I text dad asking him to talk to son about domestic abuse and that I don't tolerate it, and that I am ashamed of son's actions.
An hour or so later my phone is flooded with voice notes and messages from his dad accusing me of saying "do you want to die??" And that son was right to react the way he did and me saying it was abusive and violent is just the sort of thing I would typically do.
Ex was extremely abusive when we were together. That's the reason I left him.
Since then he has been a great father. No signs of abuse with new partner and soin look up to him.
For the rest of the evening I'm told I'm cancerous and is why no one wants to be with me and I'm a pathetic excuse of a mother.
I remind him of the abuse he has done when together and that I should not have expected anything in the way of advice to son from such an abuser. He continues to flood my phone with how I deserved what I got when we were together and that son is better off with him as I'm a pathetic excuse.
I blocked him. I can't take anymore of his abuse. I have been sobbing all evening.
I know my son will be upset with his actions today.
I was hasty in calling his dad, I know that now. At the time I was frightened and wanted to show my son I wouldn't tolerate such abuse.
I'm still sobbing. I don't want my son turning out like his father. I shouldn't have sent him to him. I've sent him into the lions den.

OP posts:
unbelieveable22 · 04/08/2025 06:49

Disappointing to read some responses minimising the aggressive and violent response of a 16 year old male towards his mother. That behaviour is never acceptable or excusable.

His Dad is not a good role model and his responses to you are not acceptable. Please do not continue to reply to him, block his number if necessary.
Let things calm.down and see how your son responds going forward. Perhaps suggest some counselling or family therapy with clear boundaries and help with better communication techniques.

Absentmindedsmile · 04/08/2025 06:50

Not sure what to say except you’ve done nothing wrong, it’s not your fault, and big hugs xx

Busted2006 · 04/08/2025 06:56

Nah, I don’t care what you said your son had NO RIGHT to square up to you like that.

You’re his Mum, how dare he.

Don’t rush and patch things up, give conditions, if he really cares or is remorseful he will want to change, e.g go to therapy together, domestic violence courses etc.

Don’t get into an abusive cycle with your son, where he thinks you will forgive him and quickly move on… he will soon be in a relationship and if this is the way he thinks he can behave with his mother think about how he may behave with a partner.

also you didn’t know what his Dad would say, but stand firm and keep reinforcing your boundaries. Your son is old enough to know better and when he feels remorseful you can have a proper conversation and also discuss his Dads reaction and explain why is harmful and damaging but also explain in that moment you had no other choice but to send him there.

Good luck OP, I have a teenage son myself and I can only imagine how devastated you are feeling.

shellyleppard · 04/08/2025 07:03

If my son did that to me he would have been straight out the door no return. No way would I stand for that from anyone

shellyleppard · 04/08/2025 07:03

If my son did that to me he would have been straight out the door no return. No way would I stand for that from anyone

comfyslippets · 04/08/2025 07:05

I can’t believe people are saying such ridiculous things about the do you want to die comment!
it was clearly said in a jokey, do you have a death wish kind of way ffs. As if she means it. Anyone that has teenage children would know that. Rather than address the issue of how upset OP is, let’s say about that comment and blame her hey?
That was awful behaviour from your son and your shit ex is an arsehole OP.
Tell your son in a serious calm way that if he ever acts like that towards you again then he can go. Tell him you will absolutely not tolerate that behaviour in your house. And mean it. Bloody cheek. I wouldn’t even discuss it with him, just tell him that

StillweriseLH · 04/08/2025 07:05

Absentmindedsmile · 04/08/2025 06:50

Not sure what to say except you’ve done nothing wrong, it’s not your fault, and big hugs xx

Really? You can’t see anything wrong with sending a child, all be it a teenager, out of their home and off to spend time being taught how to be less agressive by an abusive adult with a history of domestic violence? Well.

I do think OP deserves gentleness, as I can’t imagine these decisions have been easy and it probably felt very scary, but pretending her every action has been correct is just silly, @Absentmindedsmile .

I would block your ex, OP, and try to regain your son into your home. I don’t blame you for your reaction- I’d want to come down on that with a ton of bricks- but is there a better male role model in the family who could help? Or some local services worth considering?

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 04/08/2025 07:06

EmeraldShamrock000 · 04/08/2025 00:56

He over-reacted. It wasn't threatening, pretty normal around here for parents to make playful threats, no-one is running for a weapon actually going to kill there child.

Well given that OP says her ex is verbally abusive, why is everyone assuming get son would have automatically got the joke. Maybe he has experienced threatening behaviour from his father and a comment like that from OP triggered his fight or flight.

I don’t think we can demand respect while making threats to our children like that. To me it’s not a joke, especially if said while approaching someone. OP’s son behaved badly but so did OP. In circumstances where OP knows her son has an abusive father, her own parenting, behaviour and conduct needs to be exemplary to counteract the father’s influence as much as possible.

Absentmindedsmile · 04/08/2025 07:06

StillweriseLH · 04/08/2025 07:05

Really? You can’t see anything wrong with sending a child, all be it a teenager, out of their home and off to spend time being taught how to be less agressive by an abusive adult with a history of domestic violence? Well.

I do think OP deserves gentleness, as I can’t imagine these decisions have been easy and it probably felt very scary, but pretending her every action has been correct is just silly, @Absentmindedsmile .

I would block your ex, OP, and try to regain your son into your home. I don’t blame you for your reaction- I’d want to come down on that with a ton of bricks- but is there a better male role model in the family who could help? Or some local services worth considering?

Ah fck off. Stop blaming her.

PixiePuffBall · 04/08/2025 07:10

He'd be staying with his Dad until he's acknowledged that what he did was wrong and apologises properly. I know he's your boy, but giving in on this will not do him any favours in the long run

notacooldad · 04/08/2025 07:10

He behaved badly, but what did you mean when you said "do you want to die?" Because its an odd thing to say? A threat?

I get what op said. It was a joke.

Blimey I've said stuff like that to mine when they are doing something daft, like going out on a freezing cold day with no coat. Ive even sung the song 'Dumb ways to die' and put my own words to match hat they are doing and I've never had them squae up to me or call me a bitch. It gets a laugh and an affectionate ' Mother!' Its not an aggressive term.

Im seeing it was meant to be playful and it's been twisted on the op.

Divebar2021 · 04/08/2025 07:11

I don’t think squaring up to your mum in that fashion is normal behaviour for a teenage boy. I don’t know why posters are acting as if it’s acceptable. I would definitely make comments to my teenager about “ ass whoopings” or similar said in a jokey way. He’s got arsey because things weren’t playing out the way he was expecting with the clothes - talk about over reaction. What I’d do going forward slightly depends on how much he was exposed to domestic violence when he was growing up. Some patterns might have been set if he was ever exposed to the violence / abuse that you suffered. I think he might need some therapy if he hasn’t already had it. ( this is on your ex not you OP but I’m guessing you’re the one still affected by it )

Divebar2021 · 04/08/2025 07:12

Oh yes also an apology and an acceptance that he was out of order.

CountFucula · 04/08/2025 07:12

Mumsnetters will search hard for a reason that this is your fault - ‘you both behaved badly’ is a common ‘gotcha!’ on threads but in the real world relating to an obvious joke with violence is scary and unacceptable. It seems your son has anger management issues and the most important thing to be honest about is this:
Ex was extremely abusive when we were together.
He needs help, because this is escalating - I don’t think him being at his dads is a good idea, you see how quickly they revel
in abusing you together. They are both getting a lot out of pretending this is your fault. Your ex gets to rewrite history and excuse his actions and your ds is enabled to behave towards you however he likes. Don’t waste time engaging with justifications. I think he should come home asap - what’s his brothers take on it?

OneNeatBlueOrca · 04/08/2025 07:14

EmeraldShamrock000 · 04/08/2025 00:56

He over-reacted. It wasn't threatening, pretty normal around here for parents to make playful threats, no-one is running for a weapon actually going to kill there child.

Yeah, my mum thought that when she said, I'll kill you or I'll kill the pair of you.

I never thought it was funny or playful.

Asking our son if he wants to die over some washing in dryer.

Oh wowIf she wanted him gone, his dad's taken him job done.

CaptainMyCaptain · 04/08/2025 07:14

PyongyangKipperbang · 04/08/2025 01:51

I get it.

Its like "Mum, I am going for a bath now" when I am filthy after some DIY or something and me saying "Not unless you have a death wish you aint!!" in a laughy jokey way.

My youngest son got like this just before he turned 15. I was a single parent too and looking back he was trying to Alpha. Ended up with me slapping him around the face for screaming "FUCK OFF!!!!" right up close. So he called the police to get me arrested.

Got the biggest bollocking of his life from the police.

This is all kinds of wrong. Both the 'joke' and the slapping. I don't know what you are trying to say.

zaazaazoom · 04/08/2025 07:15

I'm sorry you both suffered through domestic violence. Did your son get counselling about it? Have you spoken about it with him? He is likely to have normalised this behaviour.

His Dad is obviously still abusive and likely is in his current relationship even if not as obviously.

I would wait for this to calm down. Take ds out for a coffee or a walk and talk about why you were so upset and how he feels about the way his dad treated you (and him).

1diamondearing · 04/08/2025 07:15

I am trying to get my head around this - he didn't understand what he had done wrong with the dryer. You didn't tell him. You just threatened to kill him? and he didn't see it as a joke? And he stood up and stood still, and then at some point your chests touched? But you were the one moving at that point not him?

CountFucula · 04/08/2025 07:16

What is wrong with some posters ⬆️ ???

Luckyingame · 04/08/2025 07:17

"Do you have a death wish" joke...
Brilliant. What do you all expect, especially nowadays? You are adults, this is still a child.
It's down to you, I'm afraid.

Divebar2021 · 04/08/2025 07:19

1diamondearing · 04/08/2025 07:15

I am trying to get my head around this - he didn't understand what he had done wrong with the dryer. You didn't tell him. You just threatened to kill him? and he didn't see it as a joke? And he stood up and stood still, and then at some point your chests touched? But you were the one moving at that point not him?

No he didn’t accidentally bump into her.. he pushed his chest into her. He puffed it up in an aggressive manner ( which is a male, posturing manoeuvre as a pre cursor to fight) Surely your life has not been that sheltered?

CaptainFuture · 04/08/2025 07:19

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 04/08/2025 07:06

Well given that OP says her ex is verbally abusive, why is everyone assuming get son would have automatically got the joke. Maybe he has experienced threatening behaviour from his father and a comment like that from OP triggered his fight or flight.

I don’t think we can demand respect while making threats to our children like that. To me it’s not a joke, especially if said while approaching someone. OP’s son behaved badly but so did OP. In circumstances where OP knows her son has an abusive father, her own parenting, behaviour and conduct needs to be exemplary to counteract the father’s influence as much as possible.

Very much this, the posters with the 'you are faultless op... you've done NOTHING wrong' aren't helping.

CountFucula · 04/08/2025 07:24

Is squaring up to someone ok if you don’t understand a joke? Or if you are so wooden headed you think you are going to be murdered but instead of sense checking ‘this is my mum, she’s talking about washing and has no bladed weapon, the threat level is low’ you decide to act on your fight or flight, that is perfectly justifiable??

Victim blaming hoo ha on this thread. “Put up with male violence because unless you behave in a completely non threatening and joke free manner what can you expect! “
My bar is set a bit higher for the men in my life, thanks.

1diamondearing · 04/08/2025 07:24

Divebar2021 · 04/08/2025 07:19

No he didn’t accidentally bump into her.. he pushed his chest into her. He puffed it up in an aggressive manner ( which is a male, posturing manoeuvre as a pre cursor to fight) Surely your life has not been that sheltered?

but most of the OP is describing how the mother was aggressive to the boy, and there is one sentence which sounds ambiguous anyway, about the boy being aggressive to the mother, and then the shouting of "bitch" - but this account in itself doesn't sound like a reliable description of a child being the aggressor. Does it to you? The child was standing still, and the mother moving, by her own account

Cyclingmummy1 · 04/08/2025 07:26

Why couldn't he take the clothes out of the dryer and hang them on the clothes horse? Not the point of the post, I know, but I'm curious.