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To throw my 16 yr old son out after he squared up to me

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summerviews · 03/08/2025 23:31

I have been busy all weekend sanding the staircase. My son brought two big bags of washing down and asked if they could be done. I said of course.
An hour or so had passed and I thought I'd ask him to put a wash on. He did this, no bother.
A couple of hours later I asked him to pop his washing into the dryer. Which he did.
Roll on this evening my eldest came home and wanted to get a wash on ready for work tomorrow. He put it on a quick wash. Once it's done, he goes to the dryer and realises stuff is in there and it's still wet! My 16 yr old son says he doesn't know why, and wants to take it out regardless. I explain that he should keep it in the dryer and let it dry properly or the clothes will stink if left damp or wet. He tells me I'm to blame as the dryer is my responsibility. I let this narky comment slide and calmly tell him to leave the washing in and turn it back on.
I know what's happened, he's put his washing in there earlier and not started it at the beginning of the cycle, so it's only done a half cycle, if that. But I say nothing (I pick my battles).
Literally less than five mins later 16 yr old walks to dryer and begins to pull everything out to check if it's dry yet. 🤦🏼‍♀️ I say "son, do you actually want to die?! In a playful, yet exasperated tone. "Put the washing back in!" I get up and begin to make my way over there to put everything back in, as he's just standing there with an angry look. As I'm walking, he says, "SAY THAT AGAIN!!". I tell him not to talk to me like that, that I'm trying to help him. He is still stood stock still, fists clenched and butts me with his chest (like a 'come on then!' kind of thing) he's done that to me once before a very long time ago and he was distraught with himself for being so horrible to me. I'm shocked at his reactions to say the least as it was never that deep as I now realise he's being aggressive and this is ridiculous behaviour. I tell him to stop and to have some respect, I remind him I'm his mother and to never do that to me again because I won't tolerate it! He then loudly shouts that I'm a "BITCH!" in my face. So I quickly walk away from him. I'm literally gasping for words, as I'm so upset and shocked. I shout to him to pack a bag and get out, that I will not stand for violent abusive behaviour from a child of mine.
I text his dad to come and get him (were not together). I say to him, don't ask my why ATM, son will explain.
He goes upstairs packs some stuff and leaves, shouting a cheery "bye everyone!" as he goes. Once son has left, I text dad asking him to talk to son about domestic abuse and that I don't tolerate it, and that I am ashamed of son's actions.
An hour or so later my phone is flooded with voice notes and messages from his dad accusing me of saying "do you want to die??" And that son was right to react the way he did and me saying it was abusive and violent is just the sort of thing I would typically do.
Ex was extremely abusive when we were together. That's the reason I left him.
Since then he has been a great father. No signs of abuse with new partner and soin look up to him.
For the rest of the evening I'm told I'm cancerous and is why no one wants to be with me and I'm a pathetic excuse of a mother.
I remind him of the abuse he has done when together and that I should not have expected anything in the way of advice to son from such an abuser. He continues to flood my phone with how I deserved what I got when we were together and that son is better off with him as I'm a pathetic excuse.
I blocked him. I can't take anymore of his abuse. I have been sobbing all evening.
I know my son will be upset with his actions today.
I was hasty in calling his dad, I know that now. At the time I was frightened and wanted to show my son I wouldn't tolerate such abuse.
I'm still sobbing. I don't want my son turning out like his father. I shouldn't have sent him to him. I've sent him into the lions den.

OP posts:
tripleginandtonic · 04/08/2025 17:51

Hang on OP, you were the one that started all this. Yabu

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 17:56

tripleginandtonic · 04/08/2025 17:51

Hang on OP, you were the one that started all this. Yabu

@tripleginandtonic

no, she wasn’t. He started it by being aggressive and calling her a bitch. No excuses for that.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 17:57

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 17:45

I certainly don't. However after losing a sibling when they were a teenager I'm probably oversensitive about killing and dying.

Some of you really like to make things up.

Edited

@LemonCheesecake2025

I’m sorry for your loss and yes I think you’re being a bit over sensitive about what Op said - It was obviously not a threat to murder him.

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 18:01

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 17:57

@LemonCheesecake2025

I’m sorry for your loss and yes I think you’re being a bit over sensitive about what Op said - It was obviously not a threat to murder him.

To be fair none of us know what really happened. Its not something our household argue about.

It was a weird thing to say.

You seem to like accusing posters of things they haven't said.

SALaw · 04/08/2025 18:01

Completely unacceptable behaviour by your son and right for you to make it clear that it will not be tolerated under your roof. Also unacceptable communication by your ex and I would either maintain the block or limit communication from now on especially as children are older anyway. I don’t understand the “do you want to die?” comment or death wish explanation. How did doing what he did imply a death wish?

tothelefttotheleft · 04/08/2025 18:01

@Cherrytree86

People can focus on more than one thing.

It was language that made this situation escalate into threats of violence.

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 18:03

SALaw · 04/08/2025 18:01

Completely unacceptable behaviour by your son and right for you to make it clear that it will not be tolerated under your roof. Also unacceptable communication by your ex and I would either maintain the block or limit communication from now on especially as children are older anyway. I don’t understand the “do you want to die?” comment or death wish explanation. How did doing what he did imply a death wish?

This.

I never said I agreed with what the Son did but OP didn't need to say the weird comment.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 18:06

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 08:18

How exactly was that in any way misogynistic? The kids behaviour was wrong, however where did "she explained about wet washing" come from? Or are we making things up to support people now.

Think this situation is starting to get the gaslighters out in force - nothing like people inventing things to support their position.

As I read from OP, she was sarcastic, kid didn't understand and overreacted. What did you read?

No gaslighting and no making things up. It’s right there in the OP - not my problem if you missed it. She told him that the clothes needed to stay in the drier and five minutes later he was taking them out - hence the comment ‘do you want to die’ as in, wearing wet clothes will make you ill. And the post was misogynistic in that it was blaming the OP. OP did not behave badly, she meant what she said as a joke - her son’s reaction is entirely on him.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 18:09

tothelefttotheleft · 04/08/2025 18:01

@Cherrytree86

People can focus on more than one thing.

It was language that made this situation escalate into threats of violence.

No. It was an entirely unwarranted reaction from a teenager with a shitty attitude towards women, who is unable to control his aggression. That’s what escalated it into threats of violence.

Quitelikeit · 04/08/2025 18:10

It wasn’t nice what he said but you also may need to ask yourself if you came across as a decent person as you could have came across quite condescending by the words and tone

Respect is a two way street

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 18:11

tripleginandtonic · 04/08/2025 17:51

Hang on OP, you were the one that started all this. Yabu

OK you win the thread for the most unthought through, inane and ridiculous comment so far. Congratulations, you had some serious competition.

Fragmentedbrain · 04/08/2025 18:18

pikkumyy77 · 04/08/2025 17:33

What a shitty thing to say.

🤷🏻‍♀️

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 18:20

Quitelikeit · 04/08/2025 18:10

It wasn’t nice what he said but you also may need to ask yourself if you came across as a decent person as you could have came across quite condescending by the words and tone

Respect is a two way street

And the aggressive, threatening and abusive response of a sixteen year old boy who perceives that his mother is ‘disrespecting’ him isn’t remotely acceptable no matter what she said or how he perceived it. The respectful response from a decent person would have been to ask what she meant, not to square up to her and verbally abuse her. So yes, respect is definitely a two way street, and there was none coming OP’s way.

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 04/08/2025 18:21

usedtobeaylis · 04/08/2025 08:35

So many posts telling a woman and mother to essentially walk on eggshells when she's making a joke. Fuck off with it. I dare say she had enough of that with her ex.

Man or women I would not accept anyone making a “joke” like that to me. I’ve never heard anyone make that comment in real life, except for in a threatening way (boys in school about to fight).

It’s abuse- and even if not intended that way it’s incredibly stupid for a parent to make it towards a child who has already witness and been the victim of parental domestic abuse.

And the fact there’s so many people on here saying that it’s not a joke/ a weird thing to say shows that the comment could conceivably have been taken at face value by the son. Doesn’t excuse his behaviour but certainly can go some way to explaining it.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 18:28

Dannydevitoiloveyourart · 04/08/2025 18:21

Man or women I would not accept anyone making a “joke” like that to me. I’ve never heard anyone make that comment in real life, except for in a threatening way (boys in school about to fight).

It’s abuse- and even if not intended that way it’s incredibly stupid for a parent to make it towards a child who has already witness and been the victim of parental domestic abuse.

And the fact there’s so many people on here saying that it’s not a joke/ a weird thing to say shows that the comment could conceivably have been taken at face value by the son. Doesn’t excuse his behaviour but certainly can go some way to explaining it.

The ‘joke’ came after OP told her son to put the clothes back in the drier as they were wet. He took them out five minutes later expecting them to be dry - hence the comment ‘do you want to die’, as in putting on wet clothes is bad for your health. It wasn’t a threat and if you read OP’s updates the boy has never witnessed or been the victim of parental domestic abuse. He was little more than a toddler when they split up and OP confirms his dad was never abusive to the children.

It doesn’t matter which way the boy took this, his response was totally out of order. Posters are tying themselves up in knots trying to blame OP for his reaction when the plain fact is, it’s entirely on him, and will only escalate if not corrected. It sounds to me as though this has gone beyond what OP can deal with - especially as he’s still in contact with his father who clearly is abusive towards women, so will be a terrible influence and will undoubtedly try to undo anything OP does. I would be looking for professional help in the form of a self referral to social services.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 19:00

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 18:01

To be fair none of us know what really happened. Its not something our household argue about.

It was a weird thing to say.

You seem to like accusing posters of things they haven't said.

@LemonCheesecake2025

so we agree it was obviously not a threat and a joke

helpfulperson · 04/08/2025 19:29

What has been done to help him recover from the trauma of living in an abusive household? Obviously he shouldn't have done what he did but it sounds like it is behaviour he has learnt from his father. He may only have been 3 when you left but he will have memories of seeing his dad behave like that to you.

and to the poster talking about the OP's line being a serious warning - how is wearing wet clothes bad for your health? It's not comfortable but certainly nothing that is going to kill you.

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 19:36

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 16:42

This is just vile. If OP’s partner had displayed the same attitude would you still be calling it an over reaction and blaming OP ? He’s sixteen, he’s aggressive and he’s verbally abusive. He’s as much of a threat to his mother - and judging by his thinly veiled misogyny to any female who gets n his way - as a fully grown man.

Edited

How is me asking what happened the first time hes done it vile? If you dont have anything to say dont act like op’s spokesperson.

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 19:37

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 18:20

And the aggressive, threatening and abusive response of a sixteen year old boy who perceives that his mother is ‘disrespecting’ him isn’t remotely acceptable no matter what she said or how he perceived it. The respectful response from a decent person would have been to ask what she meant, not to square up to her and verbally abuse her. So yes, respect is definitely a two way street, and there was none coming OP’s way.

Edited

I disagree with you, the family dynamic is toxic. She said something out of order, instead of fixing the situation she told him to grab a bag and go to his abusive dad

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 19:46

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 19:00

@LemonCheesecake2025

so we agree it was obviously not a threat and a joke

Yes, just not a funny one.

I don't get it to be honest because nobody has ever died wearing damp clothes. They have smelt funny though.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 19:53

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 19:46

Yes, just not a funny one.

I don't get it to be honest because nobody has ever died wearing damp clothes. They have smelt funny though.

@LemonCheesecake2025

right! So an unfunny joke isn’t justification to get physically aggressive is it?

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 19:57

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 19:37

I disagree with you, the family dynamic is toxic. She said something out of order, instead of fixing the situation she told him to grab a bag and go to his abusive dad

@AlertEagle

youre missing a massive bit out of that - the bit where he squared up to her and called her a bitch. It wasn’t a case of - Op makes joke and then throws him out, was it

JackGrealishsBobbySocks · 04/08/2025 20:05

Thought of this thread as I just heard myself threatening to throttle my DD if she didn't tidy up her room before Wednesday. She called me a Nazi clean freak in retaliation.

There are some people really desperate to die on that hill of OP deserving this aggression from her son, hey.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 20:22

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 19:57

@AlertEagle

youre missing a massive bit out of that - the bit where he squared up to her and called her a bitch. It wasn’t a case of - Op makes joke and then throws him out, was it

Agree. So many posters are very selective in what they’re reading of the OP and updates - either that or reading comprehension is massively in decline.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 20:27

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 19:36

How is me asking what happened the first time hes done it vile? If you dont have anything to say dont act like op’s spokesperson.

It’s vile because of the way you couched the question.

You said it happened before what made him do it before did you say something similar to him again that triggered this over reaction in him?

It doesn’t matter what OP said or when. There is absolutely no excuse for her DS reacting in this manner. None. You’re intimating that OP is to blame because she ‘triggered’ him. His reaction was aggressive and abusive. That’s on him, not OP. And your attempt to blame the woman for that response is what’s vile. It akin to saying she asked for it. Shame on you.