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To throw my 16 yr old son out after he squared up to me

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summerviews · 03/08/2025 23:31

I have been busy all weekend sanding the staircase. My son brought two big bags of washing down and asked if they could be done. I said of course.
An hour or so had passed and I thought I'd ask him to put a wash on. He did this, no bother.
A couple of hours later I asked him to pop his washing into the dryer. Which he did.
Roll on this evening my eldest came home and wanted to get a wash on ready for work tomorrow. He put it on a quick wash. Once it's done, he goes to the dryer and realises stuff is in there and it's still wet! My 16 yr old son says he doesn't know why, and wants to take it out regardless. I explain that he should keep it in the dryer and let it dry properly or the clothes will stink if left damp or wet. He tells me I'm to blame as the dryer is my responsibility. I let this narky comment slide and calmly tell him to leave the washing in and turn it back on.
I know what's happened, he's put his washing in there earlier and not started it at the beginning of the cycle, so it's only done a half cycle, if that. But I say nothing (I pick my battles).
Literally less than five mins later 16 yr old walks to dryer and begins to pull everything out to check if it's dry yet. 🤦🏼‍♀️ I say "son, do you actually want to die?! In a playful, yet exasperated tone. "Put the washing back in!" I get up and begin to make my way over there to put everything back in, as he's just standing there with an angry look. As I'm walking, he says, "SAY THAT AGAIN!!". I tell him not to talk to me like that, that I'm trying to help him. He is still stood stock still, fists clenched and butts me with his chest (like a 'come on then!' kind of thing) he's done that to me once before a very long time ago and he was distraught with himself for being so horrible to me. I'm shocked at his reactions to say the least as it was never that deep as I now realise he's being aggressive and this is ridiculous behaviour. I tell him to stop and to have some respect, I remind him I'm his mother and to never do that to me again because I won't tolerate it! He then loudly shouts that I'm a "BITCH!" in my face. So I quickly walk away from him. I'm literally gasping for words, as I'm so upset and shocked. I shout to him to pack a bag and get out, that I will not stand for violent abusive behaviour from a child of mine.
I text his dad to come and get him (were not together). I say to him, don't ask my why ATM, son will explain.
He goes upstairs packs some stuff and leaves, shouting a cheery "bye everyone!" as he goes. Once son has left, I text dad asking him to talk to son about domestic abuse and that I don't tolerate it, and that I am ashamed of son's actions.
An hour or so later my phone is flooded with voice notes and messages from his dad accusing me of saying "do you want to die??" And that son was right to react the way he did and me saying it was abusive and violent is just the sort of thing I would typically do.
Ex was extremely abusive when we were together. That's the reason I left him.
Since then he has been a great father. No signs of abuse with new partner and soin look up to him.
For the rest of the evening I'm told I'm cancerous and is why no one wants to be with me and I'm a pathetic excuse of a mother.
I remind him of the abuse he has done when together and that I should not have expected anything in the way of advice to son from such an abuser. He continues to flood my phone with how I deserved what I got when we were together and that son is better off with him as I'm a pathetic excuse.
I blocked him. I can't take anymore of his abuse. I have been sobbing all evening.
I know my son will be upset with his actions today.
I was hasty in calling his dad, I know that now. At the time I was frightened and wanted to show my son I wouldn't tolerate such abuse.
I'm still sobbing. I don't want my son turning out like his father. I shouldn't have sent him to him. I've sent him into the lions den.

OP posts:
CustardySergeant · 04/08/2025 15:27

SheridansPortSalut · 04/08/2025 14:21

He's acting menstrual?

That's the kind of comment misogynists throw about. I'd expect that from his dad, based on your description, but not from you.

Again, you might want to look at your own communication style.

I did think that was a very bizarre thing for the OP to say. It made no sense at all. 😕

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 15:30

You said it happened before what made him do it before did you say something similar to him again that triggered this over reaction in him?

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 16:41

Maddy70 · 04/08/2025 09:52

I expect them to me managing and responsible for their behaviours as soon as they are able with supportive guidance from their parents, which allows them to make mistakes and come back from them and learn how to be better whether that is age 2 or 20!

So you think the comment about OP being responsible for the drier, the fact that he squared up to her with clenched fists, chest bumped her and called her a bitch, were all a mistake ?

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 16:42

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 15:30

You said it happened before what made him do it before did you say something similar to him again that triggered this over reaction in him?

This is just vile. If OP’s partner had displayed the same attitude would you still be calling it an over reaction and blaming OP ? He’s sixteen, he’s aggressive and he’s verbally abusive. He’s as much of a threat to his mother - and judging by his thinly veiled misogyny to any female who gets n his way - as a fully grown man.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 16:56

Oldglasses · 04/08/2025 14:10

His behaviour was terrible and unacceptable, but 'do you want to die' is such a weird turn of phrase - my young adult DC would react badly to that (not squaring up but would be very wtaf mum and maybe quite upset). We joke around a lot but that would be too far for me.
I hope you can patch things up and come to some sort of understanding.

@Oldglasses

your adults children sound quite sensitive?

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 16:57

AlertEagle · 04/08/2025 15:30

You said it happened before what made him do it before did you say something similar to him again that triggered this over reaction in him?

@AlertEagle

Op didn’t “make” him do anything. He made himself do it. It’s all him.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 17:00

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 04/08/2025 14:24

You escalated the situation right from the start. in fact there wasnt a situation at all. Maybe you were exhausted from your stairs DIY.
Anyhow He will apologise - he lost his temper - but kept physical control. You will no doubt apologise - you created, then wound up the dryer 'situation'.
There's lessons for you both. And im sure you can work out what they are.

@Iwanttoliveonamountain

yeah he didn’t keep physical control did he? If he had he wouldn’t have even been in her personal space never mind bumping her with her chest. The only person escalating situation was the son.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:05

SheridansPortSalut · 04/08/2025 14:21

He's acting menstrual?

That's the kind of comment misogynists throw about. I'd expect that from his dad, based on your description, but not from you.

Again, you might want to look at your own communication style.

I think if you apply some calm logic here (seriously lacking on this thread), you’ll probably find that she said menstrual, and meant ‘pre menstrual’. As in hormonal - he’s a teenager. So many posters here making batshit reaches in order to blame OP for the actions of an aggressive young man who clearly has a problem with anger management and contempt for women. Don’t think l’ve seen so much misogyny on one thread, and the fact that it’s coming from women is really concerning.

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 17:08

Why did OP say if you want to die? It makes no sense.

JackGrealishsBobbySocks · 04/08/2025 17:10

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:05

I think if you apply some calm logic here (seriously lacking on this thread), you’ll probably find that she said menstrual, and meant ‘pre menstrual’. As in hormonal - he’s a teenager. So many posters here making batshit reaches in order to blame OP for the actions of an aggressive young man who clearly has a problem with anger management and contempt for women. Don’t think l’ve seen so much misogyny on one thread, and the fact that it’s coming from women is really concerning.

Edited

I think there is at least one MRA too, but yes, it largely seems to be women sticking the boot into OP.

You can tell they are going to be such sympathetic mothers-in-law when their own darling sons maltreat their wives

ruethewhirl · 04/08/2025 17:12

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 17:08

Why did OP say if you want to die? It makes no sense.

It's called banter. Same sort of thing as 'I'll kill you if you don't stop leaving the toilet seat up.' 🤷‍♀️

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 17:15

ruethewhirl · 04/08/2025 17:12

It's called banter. Same sort of thing as 'I'll kill you if you don't stop leaving the toilet seat up.' 🤷‍♀️

I love banter. Banter is usually funny though.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 04/08/2025 17:15

Is he home yet? I hope you're okay today.
It's not easy raising teenagers. 😕

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:18

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 04/08/2025 14:24

You escalated the situation right from the start. in fact there wasnt a situation at all. Maybe you were exhausted from your stairs DIY.
Anyhow He will apologise - he lost his temper - but kept physical control. You will no doubt apologise - you created, then wound up the dryer 'situation'.
There's lessons for you both. And im sure you can work out what they are.

This is utter bollocks. I’m sorry but OP didn’t create any situation. She made a joke which landed badly and caused her son to become aggressive and abusive. And in what world is chest bumping his mother with his fists clenched and calling her a bitch ‘keeping control of his anger’ ? OP is absolutely not responsible for his reaction - he is. She has nothing to apologise for and if she did so it would feed into his misogyny. His appalling attitude towards women and his inability to control his aggressiveness is what needs to be addressed here.’You made me do it’ doesn’t apply here. At all.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 04/08/2025 17:18

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 17:15

I love banter. Banter is usually funny though.

I found it funny when DM threatened me. She often said "I'll bleeding murder you, if you do it again" she never touched a hair on my head aggressively.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:31

Namechangerage · 04/08/2025 12:58

I worded it clumsily but I’m just saying - I wouldn’t throw him out knowing he would just have the option to go to abusive dad and learn more abusive behaviour.

I wouldn’t accept it, I would remove myself from the situation and probably stay with a friend or go to a hotel, as at that age she can absolutely leave the house and leave him and brother at home. Before coming back I would firmly tell him he has to get some counselling, I suspect the boy has picked up a lot of the behaviour from his dad sadly anyway. Yes it’s unfair the victim leaves but if safety is the concern it’s probably the safer option to get yourself out anyway.

It’s in no way acceptable but I would not want to push him closer to his dad knowing the history.

Thus sending the clear message to an aggressive teen that all he has to do is threaten his mother and he’ll have the house to himself to do as he likes.

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 17:33

EmeraldShamrock000 · 04/08/2025 17:18

I found it funny when DM threatened me. She often said "I'll bleeding murder you, if you do it again" she never touched a hair on my head aggressively.

@EmeraldShamrock000

clearly lots of posters on here think you would have been well within your rights to square up to your mother, knock her with your chest and call her a bitch.

The mind boggles…

pikkumyy77 · 04/08/2025 17:33

Fragmentedbrain · 04/08/2025 07:46

I think the ship has probably sailed on his core personality op. He's half his dad.

I hate that I have to live among these twatty jumped up teens - being a woman in the world is so much scarier than it used to be.

You did the right thing to boot him. Don't have him back.

What a shitty thing to say.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:35

SheridansPortSalut · 04/08/2025 10:43

There is no jokey way of saying that.

Obviously his behaviour is unacceptable but you need to look at your own communication style too. I suspect that you are not as calm and reasonable as you think you are.

Edited

It wasn’t a threat. OP was warning him that he would end up ill if he tried to wear damp clothes. He was taking them out of the drier five minutes after OP told him to leave them to dry. I seriously don’t believe so many posters genuinely don’t understand why she said it.

wrongthinker · 04/08/2025 17:36

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:05

I think if you apply some calm logic here (seriously lacking on this thread), you’ll probably find that she said menstrual, and meant ‘pre menstrual’. As in hormonal - he’s a teenager. So many posters here making batshit reaches in order to blame OP for the actions of an aggressive young man who clearly has a problem with anger management and contempt for women. Don’t think l’ve seen so much misogyny on one thread, and the fact that it’s coming from women is really concerning.

Edited

I assumed it was an autocorrect for mental?

ContactNightmare · 04/08/2025 17:36

JackGrealishsBobbySocks · 04/08/2025 17:10

I think there is at least one MRA too, but yes, it largely seems to be women sticking the boot into OP.

You can tell they are going to be such sympathetic mothers-in-law when their own darling sons maltreat their wives

I think it would be interesting if before you got married you could ask to know if your future MIL had a MN account and the name. Could be useful

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 17:45

Cherrytree86 · 04/08/2025 17:33

@EmeraldShamrock000

clearly lots of posters on here think you would have been well within your rights to square up to your mother, knock her with your chest and call her a bitch.

The mind boggles…

I certainly don't. However after losing a sibling when they were a teenager I'm probably oversensitive about killing and dying.

Some of you really like to make things up.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:47

ZeroSpoons · 04/08/2025 10:22

If they take a joke the wrong way? Interesting... How can a "joke" be taken the wrong way? If you have to say stuff like that, then perhaps it's not a joke. And then we take it further - is it ok to verbally/emotionally abused?

Did the boy abuse? No. So in one respect you're saying that abuse is ok, in another it's not. And you were talking about victim blaming. Maybe stop seeing children as threats, and treat them like children whilst instructing them on what is ok behaviour and what isn't.

So you don’t see an aggressive 16 year old squaring up to his mother with clenched fists, chest bumping her and calling her a bitch, as being in any way a threat ? OP can’t ‘instruct’ him as to what’s acceptable or not - she can only advise and guide - he has to figure that out for himself and get control of his aggression. And he’d better do it fast because if he displays this kind of attitude every time someone says something he doesn’t like, he’s not going to get very far.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:49

wrongthinker · 04/08/2025 17:36

I assumed it was an autocorrect for mental?

Could well be, yes. Autocorrect is very weird these days.

LemonCheesecake2025 · 04/08/2025 17:49

Rosscameasdoody · 04/08/2025 17:35

It wasn’t a threat. OP was warning him that he would end up ill if he tried to wear damp clothes. He was taking them out of the drier five minutes after OP told him to leave them to dry. I seriously don’t believe so many posters genuinely don’t understand why she said it.

Well that makes no sense.