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To think The West is morally bankrupt

382 replies

Elrae · 27/07/2025 00:19

America democratically elects an adjudicate rapist who sympathises with racists, hates women and will do anything to hang onto power. The UK and it's lickspitrlw leader fawn over Trump and says that Israel has rhe right to cut off food and water to Gaza. Then wairs a year watching children die before saying it is intolerable. Except he is tolerating it.We all are.
The West is pumping out carbon at a vast rate and will no doubt reject the flood of refugees that this will cause.
The West takes more than it's fair share of the world's wealth. Much of the West is based on colonial exploration and murder of the global south.
I used to think we were the good guys.
We are not. We are one of the worst things ever to happen to the planet and it's inhabitants.

OP posts:
SummerEve · 27/07/2025 00:23

Yes, we have an awful lot to answer for and we aren’t half as clever, aspirational or superior as we think we are.

WaverleyOwl · 27/07/2025 00:28

You are woefully ill informed.

Elrae · 27/07/2025 00:33

WaverleyOwl · 27/07/2025 00:28

You are woefully ill informed.

care to expand or do you just enjoy insulting people?

OP posts:
WaverleyOwl · 27/07/2025 00:34

To be honest, I'm not sure where to start.

WaverleyOwl · 27/07/2025 00:35

Are you from the UK or the US?

Elrae · 27/07/2025 00:37

WaverleyOwl · 27/07/2025 00:35

Are you from the UK or the US?

We;ll come to that later, just start wherever you like

OP posts:
newhouseplans · 27/07/2025 00:38

Elrae · 27/07/2025 00:19

America democratically elects an adjudicate rapist who sympathises with racists, hates women and will do anything to hang onto power. The UK and it's lickspitrlw leader fawn over Trump and says that Israel has rhe right to cut off food and water to Gaza. Then wairs a year watching children die before saying it is intolerable. Except he is tolerating it.We all are.
The West is pumping out carbon at a vast rate and will no doubt reject the flood of refugees that this will cause.
The West takes more than it's fair share of the world's wealth. Much of the West is based on colonial exploration and murder of the global south.
I used to think we were the good guys.
We are not. We are one of the worst things ever to happen to the planet and it's inhabitants.

Sadly, YANBU.

WaverleyOwl · 27/07/2025 00:39

I shouldn't have answered when I'm just heading off to bed, but perhaps watch this before commenting on how bad the West is:

- YouTube

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https://youtu.be/RLk4MnWtQ4U?si=o2NVcgC7jtOnQb_X

WaverleyOwl · 27/07/2025 00:40

It's after midnight where I am, so I am going to bed, but the West is not the problem.

pourmeadrinkpls · 27/07/2025 00:42

Agree. And don't acknowledge the mess they make interfering in other countries. So many issues in other countries are due to colonialisation and creating new borders due to their own greed. Yet still think they're superior.

SnowFrogJelly · 27/07/2025 00:44

WaverleyOwl · 27/07/2025 00:40

It's after midnight where I am, so I am going to bed, but the West is not the problem.

Ok Waverley what is the problem

Elrae · 27/07/2025 00:46

WaverleyOwl · 27/07/2025 00:40

It's after midnight where I am, so I am going to bed, but the West is not the problem.

oh how convenient for you..you come on here, choose to insult me, do not challemge intellectually a single point I said, post some video which. I have no intention of clicking on, then you're overcome with fatigue.
Is Trump not am adjudicated rapist?
Did 75 million Americans not hoose to vote him in?
Did Dtarmer not say what I heard and stated he said re: Israel?
Does the West not disproportionately cause carbon emissions?
Do carbon emissions not cause climate change?

start wherever you like

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BluntPlumHam · 27/07/2025 00:55

I agree with you op, it’s been like this since colonisation (there have been abhorrent empires throughout history don’t get me wrong) but the lasting effect of the OG coloniser is still being felt today and it’s causing some of the most devastating human catastrophes of modern fine.

For the other poster saying OP is wrong, start at the East India company and you will end up at the door step of the current issues laid out by OP.

Willyoujustbequiet · 27/07/2025 01:01

Why just the west morally bankrupt though?

Look how Afghan women are treated. The Chibok girls in Nigeria. The rape culture in South Africa. The Rwandan genocide. The Yazidi. The Uyghurs. I could go on and on.

PollyBell · 27/07/2025 01:02

Yeah the middle east, some African countries Russia amongst many others are saints

UsingAMansNameInAWomensWorld · 27/07/2025 01:08

Trump is a problem, yes

But The West isn't the only place pumping out Carbon.

The West isn't committing all the human rights violations happening

The West encompasses some of the "best" countries in the world for happiness, green activity, women's rights...

BluntPlumHam · 27/07/2025 01:09

Willyoujustbequiet · 27/07/2025 01:01

Why just the west morally bankrupt though?

Look how Afghan women are treated. The Chibok girls in Nigeria. The rape culture in South Africa. The Rwandan genocide. The Yazidi. The Uyghurs. I could go on and on.

You’ve missed the point entirely. None of those countries have caused the level widespread damage on a global level that has brought on mass displacement of people, starvation, climate change and endless wars for land and resources.

pourmeadrinkpls · 27/07/2025 01:13

BluntPlumHam · 27/07/2025 01:09

You’ve missed the point entirely. None of those countries have caused the level widespread damage on a global level that has brought on mass displacement of people, starvation, climate change and endless wars for land and resources.

Yep. Also the West consumes the most and wastes the most, which is hardly surprising. But everyone is so quick to say oh but what about that country or I had nothing to do with colonisation. Infuriating 🤬

PollyBell · 27/07/2025 01:39

BluntPlumHam · 27/07/2025 01:09

You’ve missed the point entirely. None of those countries have caused the level widespread damage on a global level that has brought on mass displacement of people, starvation, climate change and endless wars for land and resources.

So what climate change effect does China cause?

Trendyname · 27/07/2025 01:41

Elrae · 27/07/2025 00:19

America democratically elects an adjudicate rapist who sympathises with racists, hates women and will do anything to hang onto power. The UK and it's lickspitrlw leader fawn over Trump and says that Israel has rhe right to cut off food and water to Gaza. Then wairs a year watching children die before saying it is intolerable. Except he is tolerating it.We all are.
The West is pumping out carbon at a vast rate and will no doubt reject the flood of refugees that this will cause.
The West takes more than it's fair share of the world's wealth. Much of the West is based on colonial exploration and murder of the global south.
I used to think we were the good guys.
We are not. We are one of the worst things ever to happen to the planet and it's inhabitants.

Do you know trump is loved by people in the east too?

Velmy · 27/07/2025 01:43

Moral bankruptcy is universal; North, South, East and West. We're all guilty of it in all manner of ways, on all manner of scales.

The sins of the West are likely much more apparent to those of us living in the West because we're bombarded with them on TV and social media 24/7.

Willyoujustbequiet · 27/07/2025 01:48

BluntPlumHam · 27/07/2025 01:09

You’ve missed the point entirely. None of those countries have caused the level widespread damage on a global level that has brought on mass displacement of people, starvation, climate change and endless wars for land and resources.

Not China? You must be joking lol

GoodLaudanum · 27/07/2025 01:50

It's the World's Governments and Ruling Parties that are morally bankrupt.

They exploit, deceive, rob and gaslight their own citizens and the citizens of the countries they steal.

It's been going on for centuries.

It's not any better now than it was 1000 years ago.

Blueyshift · 27/07/2025 01:56

Just men to be honest.

HelenaWaiting · 27/07/2025 01:59

@Elrae
By far the largest emitter, China's emissions (a third of all global emissions, incidentally)stem from its large population, industrial production, and heavy reliance on coal. The US is the second-largest emitter, with emissions largely attributed to its industrial past and continued reliance on fossil fuels. India's emissions are growing, driven by its expanding economy and population. Russia is a significant emitter, with a large portion of its emissions coming from the energy sector.
Your pants are on fire, by the way.