To think The West is morally bankrupt

[Elrae]

America democratically elects an adjudicate rapist who sympathises with racists, hates women and will do anything to hang onto power. The UK and it's lickspitrlw leader fawn over Trump and says that Israel has rhe right to cut off food and water to Gaza. Then wairs a year watching children die before saying it is intolerable. Except he is tolerating it.We all are.
The West is pumping out carbon at a vast rate and will no doubt reject the flood of refugees that this will cause.
The West takes more than it's fair share of the world's wealth. Much of the West is based on colonial exploration and murder of the global south.
I used to think we were the good guys.
We are not. We are one of the worst things ever to happen to the planet and it's inhabitants.

You’re not wrong about America, none of us like the situation in Gaza but I was reading an account from one of the Oct 7th hostages recently that made it clear just how much support Hamas had in their despicable actions (and Islam is not be and never has been the religion of peace), much of what we took from other countries was either valueless to them (we discovered history they did not care to remember) or has been paid back via charity and medical help, and we do actually work here - a fact many immigrants appear surprised to find out, and often refuse to engage with. I think that was most of it?

’The West’ is not a homogenous lump and it would have benefitted all of us to have politicians who rejected Americanisation years ago. We certainly have problems but it sounds like you’re just another apologist for unreasonable international demands on us.

Would be interested to hear what you think of the Middle East and North African regimes. If you think the West is morally bankrupt, it’s not even close to what’s happening in other countries, where they’re ruled by terrible regimes and are guilty of far more atrocities to humanity than what happens in the West. And btw, they don’t even know what climate change is, never mind being willing to help stop it. Your rant is very one sided.

Agree

Only when you write the women out and refuse to acknowledge their contributions. Men insist on men’s appreciation day every single day, and are far too violent when anyone points out reality to them.

Who buys the majority of the crap that China churns out?

Well said.

OP can you give an example of a non-morally bankrupt country outside what you call ‘the west’?

It’s important to remember what lead to the situation in Gaza. There’s been lots of attempts at halting the situation with talks, instigated by the USA and the West, but Hamas literally refuse to come to any agreement. They’re on a power trip, where their own people are suffering like this. I bet the Hamas regime aren’t starving and mal nourished. Disgusting vile people. Very few places in the world would a government allow their people to suffer in this way

Humans are the issue. We are too greedy selfish and violent.

In time we are just a Petri dish and will be gone soon enough.

It's disgusting what's going on now in Gaza.

I think some human beings are the problem, not just Western ones. We just have a lot of bad people running and controlling the world. Lots of good people that can't change it, and lots of downtrodden, tired people who feel they can't and just check out from it all.

Things generally disintegrate when an economic system is failing. It's part of the cycle we live within and have done for centuries, and although there is always shit to contend with, it usually escalates at this time.

So, you have an issue with “the West” being morally bankrupt. Is this because you think anywhere that is not “the West” is morally superior, or just less wealthy and powerful? Do you think non-Western countries would do a better job of things if given the chance, and if so, why? And if not, what do you propose the West should do to ensure the world, including the West, behaves in a moral fashion without being overwhelmed by the next morally bankrupt superpower to come along, and what magnitude of change in your own life circumstances could you support, now you have realised it is morally bankrupt to lead the life you currently lead?

Agree. There has been a huge decline in human behaviour throughout the world. Sometimes it’s difficult to like the human race in general, and feels like we need a reset. It’s the first time in my life I worry about the future for my children. I think the world is becoming a very bad place to exist.

This is a fair question, I’m interested in where the op is thinking of

I think the ruling class in nearly every society is corrupt and morally bankrupt.

the difference with the West is that we have been painting ourselves as the good guys and teaching that to kids in school (I fell for it hook line and sinker as a child), when actually we’ve caused global damage through imperialism, colonisation and slavery. I think a lot of people in the west are only just waking up to the fact that actually our ruling class are just as bad as everywhere else and actually have caused more widespread damage than other countries.

I dont agree that the average person in the west is worse (or better) than the average person anywhere else. It’s in the ruling class’ interest to turn us against ordinary people from elsewhere, so we don’t realise the leaders are the problem and focus our energy on overthrowing them!

Your point about carbon is interesting. Should we send everyone to an area where they will have a lower carbon footprint?

No, I don't think the West is especially morally bankrupt. I do think there's a tedious trend for self-loathing, which is essentially exceptionalism flipped 180.

This. The treatment of women as some kind of sub human to be treated as slaves impregnated at will. A long way to go in some cultures.

So you are absolving the British (who caused the whole situation along with other western powers) by carving up the middle east and handing the Palesitnian mandate to Zionosts to create a "loyal little Jewish Ulster". The Americans never armed the state of Israel with the.bombs that are raining death and destruction on innocents in Gaza. The despicable Israeli regime amd their war criminal cabinet and psychopath leader Netanyahu didnt send their own IDF in to murder innocent people? No, in your view, everything would just be great amd dandy if it weren't for Hamas. Before you try and leap on this and say I'm defending Hamas, I'm not. But for God's same don't try to deflect from the vile actions that America and their Europeam lackeys have done

Who are the good guys then?

And to all these "but what about the atrocities in non western countries" FFS read my post NOT the one you want me to label written to give you ammunition. I never Saif JUST the west. I said The West. For God's sake if the best you can come up with is "bad stuff happens elsewhere" it doesn't say much for the strength of arguments Iin favour of the west

Yes I’d like to know this too. If the west is so terrible, how do you rate Afghanistan, Iran, China, Russia?

the difference with the West is that we have been painting ourselves as the good guys and teaching that to kids in school (I fell for it hook line and sinker as a child), when actually we’ve caused global damage through imperialism, colonisation and slavery

You think all the other countries outside the ‘west’ that exercised imperialism, colonisation and slavery (and continue to do so) tell their citizens that they are the bad guys?

So you are now saying everywhere is morally bankrupt? Why then did you focus on ‘the west’?

I don’t agree with you, but I’m not derailing this thread into another Israel vs Hamas one. There’s plenty of other threads on it, and whilst there are horrifying pictures coming out of Gaza, it’s not a situation created by the West.

So everywhere is on the same level then? In your view

I think you have the luxury of freedoms that many do not, and can naval gaze on the west