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To think The West is morally bankrupt

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Elrae · 27/07/2025 00:19

America democratically elects an adjudicate rapist who sympathises with racists, hates women and will do anything to hang onto power. The UK and it's lickspitrlw leader fawn over Trump and says that Israel has rhe right to cut off food and water to Gaza. Then wairs a year watching children die before saying it is intolerable. Except he is tolerating it.We all are.
The West is pumping out carbon at a vast rate and will no doubt reject the flood of refugees that this will cause.
The West takes more than it's fair share of the world's wealth. Much of the West is based on colonial exploration and murder of the global south.
I used to think we were the good guys.
We are not. We are one of the worst things ever to happen to the planet and it's inhabitants.

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NarnianQueen · 29/07/2025 08:28

So you mean “the West” or do you mean “the world”? I’d say China has its fair share of moral and environmental issues…

AnnaBalfour · 31/07/2025 23:57

GoodPudding · 27/07/2025 08:12

Yes, I agree what’s happening in Gaza is appalling and sickening, but why are the West responsible more than say, the neighbouring Arab nations, China, India or Russia?

The idea that the West is the only possible beacon of righteousness in the world, to the extent that we don’t even consider other countries’ responsibilities, is actually a pretty imperialist mindset, albeit a warped one.

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I think that’s in part at least due to wealthy western nations being expected to be fair, Just, democratic and held to a higher standard

AliasGrace47 · 25/08/2025 05:04

Dappy777 · 27/07/2025 14:58

Pretty much everything you believe in, from reason and science to human rights and individual freedom, was born in Europe. The scientific revolution and the European Enlightenment made the modern world. You talk about colonialism. EVERYONE practiced colonialism. The Babylonians, Mongols, Zulus, Aztecs, Incas, Chinese, Mughals, Arabs, etc, etc all colonised and enslaved their neighbours. Modern China is an empire ffs (just ask the Tibetans or Uyghur Muslims). Young people are taught that Native Americans were peace-loving hippies. In reality, they were horrifically cruel to those they defeated in wars or raids. Rape, mutilation, torture and mass killing were the norm. The human race only began to emerge from savagery in the 18th-century. Until then, slavery and public torture were universal. There never was a golden age. There never was a peace-loving tribe ‘living in harmony with nature’. It’s a myth believed in by masochistic western liberals. I’m not ashamed to be British at all. Any nation that can produce Francis Bacon, John Locke, Adam Smith, David Hume, Isaac Newton, William Wilberforce, Charles Darwin, Charles Dickens, George Eliot, Bertrand Russell and George Orwell is alright by me. Find me a nation or culture that can produce a list like that! Such people helped create all that’s good in the modern world.

Had Britain never practised colonisation, the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand would not exist in their present form. Instead, you’d be at the mercy of China, Russia and Iran. Would you prefer to live in such a world? Imagine if Europe and North America vanished in a puff of smoke and you now lived in a small village somewhere in the middle of the Eurasian land mass. Would you feel safer and happier than you do now? Why not put down the Guardian, switch off the BBC and try actually thinking for yourself.

Native Americans were not a monolith. They ran the gamut of the terrifying Comanches & warmongering Sioux to the peaceful Salinans, Hopi and Nez Perce, with varying levels of violence in between.

AliasGrace47 · 25/08/2025 05:07

Menopausalsourpuss · 27/07/2025 18:35

Yes thanks you've made my point, people like me that were working didn't have time for international campaigns. Doesnt sound like you had a job. Just like now the "Palestine" protesters are retired, wealthy off students or on benefits. Old white people over represented.

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Don't you think it's a good thing some UK people protested apartheid? You seem very negative.

AliasGrace47 · 25/08/2025 05:09

Zellycat · 27/07/2025 17:19

Another point of view is UK is currently a chump nation, too worried about appearing nationalistic to protect its own people and the best interests of citizens … so turns a blind eye to people/men entering illegally & dishonestly and getting handouts.

Whilst PM & Labour turn their backs on citizens and pursue some idealistic open borders hellhole where workers pay high taxes support the Labour open doors rainbow dreamers who lie, steal, cheat and accept generous handouts from the British idiots who want the non-caring “world” to think they’re “kind”.

His many here on MN, donate to or help local British families in need? I suggest more MN care about dogs, donkeys in Romania than people in own community who need support.

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Plenty of people care about both, it's not a zero sum game. And plenty also agree about the immigration issue.

AliasGrace47 · 25/08/2025 05:11

CapeGooseberry · 27/07/2025 17:33

Trump’s message was unashamedly patriotic - make America great again. We are not America so Trump is not on ‘our side’. That he thinks he got a good trade deal from Starmer should concern us just as much as the Democrats colonialism through the imposition of their political creeds.

I think Trump confuses a lot of European leaders who have got too used to ignoring their own populations - they fail to understand he doesn’t care about countries or people beyond America’s borders other than in terms of American interests.

Patriotic doesn't have to mean only caring about yourself. In the case of Trump it does ofc. One can be patriotic, prioritise one's own country & still care about the fate of other countries.

AliasGrace47 · 25/08/2025 05:13

Menopausalsourpuss · 27/07/2025 19:20

Yes if only we had a leader who put us first and negotiated good deals (for us rather than Mauritians etc). Like most people I feel that the Government are my enemy, it must be great to be American (or Japanese or one of the other countries where the leaders work on behalf of the people that pay them).

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Why can't we prioritise our interests whilst still trying to help other countries where possible?

Obvs not possible atm, we must focus on ourselves w the state things are in now. And helping does not mean mass immigration which in fact hinders poor countries in the long run due to brain drain.

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