To think The West is morally bankrupt

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America democratically elects an adjudicate rapist who sympathises with racists, hates women and will do anything to hang onto power. The UK and it's lickspitrlw leader fawn over Trump and says that Israel has rhe right to cut off food and water to Gaza. Then wairs a year watching children die before saying it is intolerable. Except he is tolerating it.We all are.
The West is pumping out carbon at a vast rate and will no doubt reject the flood of refugees that this will cause.
The West takes more than it's fair share of the world's wealth. Much of the West is based on colonial exploration and murder of the global south.
I used to think we were the good guys.
We are not. We are one of the worst things ever to happen to the planet and it's inhabitants.

OK. So is it your position that most things we value weren’t invented by a man?

You sound very angry OP, and bitter. But if you live in the West and you’re finding it this difficult to live here, then if you’re in a position to do so, I’d gently suggest you move to one of those delightful love filled countries outside the West. Have you travelled outside the West? I have, and it’s only then can you appreciate that whilst we haven’t always got it right here, it’s a hell of a lot better than a lot of other places.

Before I say anything can someone make it clear who exactly is "the west" here?

I agree.
At least in the 'west' (and other rich countries) we're not continuing to have loads of kids so there'll be a lot fewer of us to ruin the world for all the peace, justice and equality loving people who populate the rest of the world.

The problem is, very simply, men.

Or, to put it in more words, that we have created societies, cultures and religions that place men in unshakable positions of power and worship. This world would be significantly better in every respect if more women had more power and influence and world over. It’s not a question of West v East.

'The West is morally bankrupt is a Western-centric view.

Someone born in China or Saudi or Peru may have a different point of view.

The human race as a whole has evolved to chase short term satisfaction and goal achieving as that is what has historically ensured our survival. We do not think long term or globally ( see climate change 😬 ).

What has ensured that we become the most successful species on the planet is our intelligence, ability to learn socially, and our aggression.

I believe these qualities will also be the reason for our downfall as a species. But looking at 'The West' over the last few hundred years doesn't give the best overview of our species as a whole.

Well, when women have been either banned from education and work or else sidelined in favour of someone without a uterus it’s hard to judge.

Is it your position that women, had they had all the advantages of a man, would not have been capable of equalling the inventions of men?

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The OP does seem irrationally angry that the majority are disagreeing.

Nonsense. Let's take it point by point.

America democratically elects an adjudicate rapist who sympathises with racists, hates women and will do anything to hang onto power.

Democracy will mean people being elected into office who you personally strongly dislike and disagree with. It's up to your side of the argument to come up with a better sales pitch. If no one is buying what you're selling, that's a you problem.

The UK and it's lickspitrlw leader fawn over Trump and says that Israel has rhe right to cut off food and water to Gaza. Then wairs a year watching children die before saying it is intolerable. Except he is tolerating it.We all are.

The UK's relationship with the US is infinitely more important than caving to backwater terrorist regimes who hate us and treat women and children like cattle. It's utterly horrendous, but war just does include civilian casualties, particularly when they are used by the target organization (Hamas) as human shields and bargaining chips. Was The Blitz "a genocide" because it included female and infant casualties? Of course not. Don't be ridiculous.

The West is pumping out carbon at a vast rate and will no doubt reject the flood of refugees that this will cause.

Please spend a few moments looking up how much pollution comes from India and China. Yes this is a trade relationship, but the manufacturing economies are huge beneficiaries of this too. No western country comes anywhere close to producing the same amount of pollution. Why does "The West" (What do you actually mean by this specifically by the way? Which countries? They're all very distinct) have a particular responsibility to accept refugees than any nation?

The West takes more than it's fair share of the world's wealth. Much of the West is based on colonial exploration and murder of the global south.

Arrogant and delusional. India, China, South Korea, Japan. All are wealthy nations that have improved quality of life for citizens in extraordinary ways that are the envy of the West in many ways. Please visit some of these countries and you'll see for yourself. Colonial history is more complex than "everyone was murdered".

I used to think we were the good guys.
We are not. We are one of the worst things ever to happen to the planet and it's inhabitants.

Sweeping, emotional statements like this reveal intellectual incuriosity and a lack of critical thinking. The world is more complicated than this and filled with nuance.

Given the quality of arguments of this post and its supporters, I'd say the West is intellectually bankrupt. Or at least those who follow these simplistic, unbalanced, ideologically led, oppressor/victim, self-flagellating ideas.

The West has clearly given an awful lot that is good to the world. Other parts of the world have clearly had (and have) cultures that and legal systems that are appalling and have little notion of the human rights that most of us in the West (and certainly the poster and her supporters) would support.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the violence of the Reformation in Europe, Charlemagne, the Reconquista and the Crusades in that case?

What's the problem? If "The West" isn't somewhere you like being, you're more than welcome to live elsewhere. What is stopping you?

Newsflash …you can’t just up sticks and move somewhere. It’s a bit more complicated than that.

I wouldn’t feel too guilty about it. Those feelings will become a luxury that we can’t really afford. I think the West is in decline and we will be at the mercy of other nation’s moral bankruptcy.

I think your stance is a little patronising and complacent.

Apologies for going little bit off piste here. I find it always very frustrating when there is a discussion about carbon emissions and the first thing someone says is "What about China"

The West has moved huge amounts of it's manufacturing to cheaper countries, China being one of the main ones. If you check the items, clothing in your own home the chances are you will find writing "Made in China".

If all the manufacturing of goods required by West would be moved back to West, the carbon emissions would skyrocket. Coal or something similar would be needed since it would be impossible to keep up with the energy demand for the production of these items/materials/components. There just wouldn't be enough green energy for the demand, not enough ig. solar panels and wind turbines. By the way huge majority of them are Made you guessed it In China.

Just saying.

I'm so, so sick of this self flagulation. Why don't you just move to the east then? What paradise do you fancy, Iran, North Koera, Afghanistan? Send a postcard won't you.

Again, people can’t “just move”. What don’t you understand about this?

Well we’re already on the way to self hatred and destruction. Should we all just kill ourselves now then to purge the world of evil?

Course you can, if you hate it here so much, the obvious answer is to move. Maybe get on a little boat and turn up on the shore of your chosen paradise, I'm sure they'll be very welcoming, far more than the West are...

People move all the time. People move to this country, people emigrate to other countries. This is quite common.

People may need to put in the work they need to achieve this, but that is surely worth it to move from an evil 'oppressor' country to a paradise 'victim' country, full of human rights, a highly regulated police force and rule of law.

Don’t you ever get tired of the relentless agenda pushing about small boats? It’s so predictable and lazy.

They can change their lifestyles to be more in accordance with the non-morally bankrupt life they would like to lead. The problem, it would seem, though, is that most voters want to maintain a reasonable standard of living now, not pay more tax, and not have massive change inflicted on them, but people nevertheless expect their “leaders” to fix everything for them so that they can continue living their lives as they do, or improve the quality of their lives, with a clear conscience (whilst not admitting to themselves that their leaders have their hands tied behind their backs, because democracy won’t let them make any big decisions that could actually lower everyone’s quality of life in order to be more “fair” to the entire world).

Its this sort of lazy response that meant valid concerns about levels of immigration, concentrated in some communities, and the impact it had, were ignored as 'agenda pushing'.

Yabu if you ever thought the world was as binary as "West = good guys, East = bad guys". There's a great deal right, and wrong, about both - if you expand your knowledge of East v West beyond the US and UK. Whole swathes of Europe, for example, plenty of Nordic states seem to do ok with their responsibilities to both their own citizens and treatment of other nations. If you're looking at pollution, then you've missed out China. I couldn't agree more with your assessment of the US President, but I don't think Afghanistan or Iran are great bastions of human rights, either.

If you're looking for one common denominator, then you'd well to look at who exactly is running all these countries - East and West. How many are women?