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AIBU to ask my friend to stop her child pestering people in a restaurant?

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Letsblameitallonperi · 04/07/2025 23:55

I was meeting up with a friend Zoey today I hadn’t seen for a few weeks, I was really looking forward to seeing her.

We had arranged to have lunch in a proper restaurant (not the usual child friendly places) and I was hoping we could have some wine and adult conversation.
Almost every time I meet up with Zoey she has brought at least one of her two kids and it’s been difficult to talk properly.

It’s frustrating because her husband has even offered to look after them when we meet on a Friday because he has an early finish, Zoey often just laughs and says “oh it’s ok wildhorses likes to spend time with the kids” or something along those lines. Last time her husband could obviously tell I wasn’t impressed and gave me a regretful shrug, he tried pushing it but Zoey ignored him so I know it’s definitely not her husband behind this.

I posted on mumsnet a few months ago and was asked if it was possibly her husband being controlling and making her take the kids or refusing to look after them, I think I can confidently say that’s not the case, the last time he offered he seemed to be frustrated when Zoey turned down his offer and even asked if she didn’t trust him with his own kids, Zoey just laughs and insists I’m happy with the situation.
I was also given advice to suggest just one on one time and say I’d like to see her alone in a more adult environment, I followed this advice and told Zoey I wanted her advice on something I was really struggling with and wanted to talk to her properly as we can never discuss anything when she’s distracted by the kids.

I was surprised she actually agreed and so I wasn’t impressed when I turned up to see she had her daughter with her (it seems to be always her 8 year old daughter Cara she brings) and she said we could have a “girls afternoon”.

I was so pissed off I nearly walked out, I thought I’d been clear and Zoey knows I’m having a really rough time and I just wasn’t up for entertaining her daughter or listening to her many many stories.
I asked where Adam (her husband) was and if he was looking after her other child, Zoey said yes but Cara wanted to come.

It wasn’t a great day, everything we talked about was met with “who is that mum?” “Why did she do that?” “What does that mean?” When I gave up trying to have a conversation Zoey encouraged Cara to tell me all her “news” and I can assure you it was gripping stuff 🤦🏼‍♀️.

I was just going to leave and decided the friendship was over and there was no point having any big discussions or explaining I’d had enough, I realised Zoey just wasn’t interested enough to meet me alone and I wasn’t wasting my free time having “girlie lunches” with a 8 year old.

Just before we left Cara insisted on a pudding and as we were waiting there was a group of 4 women at the next table in their twenties/thirties who looked like they were having a great time laughing and drinking wine.
Cara went over to their table and started talking to them, they were polite but obviously weren’t that happy to be disturbed, after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”
I waited for Zoey to tell her to come back but she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

Thats when I had finally had enough, I told Zoey that Cara might like it but not everyone wants to be best friends with an 8 year old and that was a polite way for them to tell Cara to fuck off. Cara was out of earshot for that remark but obviously Zoey wasn’t happy, she told me I was an intolerant child - hating bitch who was clearly regretting my choice to not have kids and I was jealous of the bond she has with her daughter.

I’m not proud but I retaliated by saying she was obsessed with Cara and that’s obviously because she wasn’t mature enough to see her friends her own age and that even her husband seemed to think it was odd. I said other friends were absolutely fed up of Cara coming everywhere, sulking when she wasn’t invited to weddings, attempts to bring her on nights out and even spa days, I said she’d made Cara her whole identify and was selfish, boring and I hoped Cara would let her join in at birthday parties and her play dates because her friends were all sick of her.

We didn’t make a scene in the restaurant, it wasn’t shouting or anything, more hissed insults. Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

In the end I just walked away and I am now cringing at how pathetic it was that two adults in their forties were arguing with a child listening.
I haven’t heard from Zoey and I think I’ll block her, I’ve spoken to another friend who said she knows I’m struggling with a lot and she wasn’t surprised I’d got upset when I’d asked for support from my best friend and been ignored and then made to feel like I was unreasonable for wanting some time with her alone.

The main thing that pissed me off and the reason I posted was the fact Zoey wasn’t just bothered about ruining our day but she would have let Cara stay pestering the women at the next table, it just made me realise how selfish she has become.
I want to know if I was unreasonable for asking Zoey to tell Cara to come away from the other table or if I was just projecting my own annoyance and the women probably didn’t mind that much?
I have had a very difficult few weeks with a bereavement, I’ve just had surgery and I’m having mood swings from perimenopause, I’d appreciate honest opinions if I overreacted or not?

I expect some people will tell me IWBU and it’s normal to love your children and be proud of them, I hope there are a few others though that would have finally had enough and snapped?

OP posts:
Shesellsseashellsnotinmystreet · 05/07/2025 07:58

I've had friends like Zoey. Unable to be anything but a dm. It's draining.. One friend our meet up coffees were stood in her garden next to the slide so she could supervise her nt dd who couldn't possibly play in the garden without her ..
Or at the play house doorway so she could help her manage the play house..
Dd was of school age...
Gave up and ghosted her after 8 years... I had dd's a year either side of her dd. Who managed a small garden without me.

Usernamenope · 05/07/2025 07:58

Yeah, Zoey's behaviour is infuriating. I can't understand why she does it though. Surely anyone with a bit of self awareness would see that bringing a child to a spa day or a lunch with a friend who wants to discuss a difficult time they are having is inappropriate. She has friends so isn't socially isolated to know what is normal ir not.

Does she not trust her husband with his own daughter? Is the other child a son? I wonder what her relationship is like with the other child.

JustGiveMeWineNow · 05/07/2025 07:59

You are so not being unreasonable! Your friend has unfortunately been totally lost to motherhood🥲
Love my children but can’t abide having friend conversations in front of them. It is just stuff they should not hear. BF was here on Friday night and telling me something really important. Kids were warned not to come into kitchen for 30 min. Doesn’t mean I don’t love them but that was my friend’s 30 min as I love her too.
Hold your head high and carryon.

RubyFlax · 05/07/2025 08:00

Honestly OP I think you deserve a medal for trying to keep this friendship going for 8 years.
I wouldn’t have. She sounds absolutely insufferable. Imagine being so self absorbed and tone deaf that you think any negative feedback is because people are jealous of your amazing offspring.

Don't waste any more of your time on it. Invest it in friendships which are more mutual and meaningful.
It sounds like you have plenty of other lovely friendships, but maybe even search out some new ones with people who are also childfree & have shared hobbies / interests. I say this someone who is childfree & has made some great friends through hobbies etc because your social circle does get smaller when all your friends have kids!

AlphaApple · 05/07/2025 08:01

Pretty clear results from the poll OP. Don’t let Zoey take up any more of your head space. You have done nothing wrong and your home truths may help eventually!

LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 05/07/2025 08:02

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LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 05/07/2025 08:08

That’s not what I mean, I also don’t want my DC with me everywhere but threads like this bring out the hate towards DC and women with DC, especially since ‘Zoey’ apparently said OP was regretting her choices - the dog whistle on here for the child free to get riled up (understandably obvs)Granted it’s not been too bad yet but if it goes the way of similar threads it will get there soon enough, just as OP has planned no doubt.

ALPS100 · 05/07/2025 08:08

Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

That did make me laugh 😁

You are 100% correct IMO. Don't doubt yourself @Letsblameitallonperi . I would have been cheering you on if I was one of those ladies on the other table. Zoey lacks insight and boundaries and has made a rod for her own back

silkypyjamas · 05/07/2025 08:09

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Maybe because the 8 year old has been around adults a lot she mimics her mother’s behavior. I was a precocious child and distinctly remember being younger than 8 and involving myself with grown up conversations and once even gave advice to my mums best friend when she was going through a divorce which they laugh about now. I was an ear wigger and I suspect little Zoey was loving listening intently to her mum and friends disagreement. And kept her mouth shut to listen while quietly eating her pud!

ThejoyofNC · 05/07/2025 08:09

I don't think those people who never read the spa thread realise just how bad Zoey is. I can't believe you even entertained her after that tbh. It was about time you told her straight.

LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 05/07/2025 08:10

LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 05/07/2025 08:08

That’s not what I mean, I also don’t want my DC with me everywhere but threads like this bring out the hate towards DC and women with DC, especially since ‘Zoey’ apparently said OP was regretting her choices - the dog whistle on here for the child free to get riled up (understandably obvs)Granted it’s not been too bad yet but if it goes the way of similar threads it will get there soon enough, just as OP has planned no doubt.

*quote fail @TimeFliesin2046

TheWonderhorse · 05/07/2025 08:11

I find it a bit weird that you call her your best friend but clearly don't like her at all.

If you don't want to see her, don't. I don't understand why you're so angry, she's just someone you don't get along with any more.

She's not the sort of friend you want, and it seems that's mutual.

Flamingoknees · 05/07/2025 08:12

I feel sorry for her other child 😢
YWNBU

TimeFliesin2046 · 05/07/2025 08:12

LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 05/07/2025 08:08

That’s not what I mean, I also don’t want my DC with me everywhere but threads like this bring out the hate towards DC and women with DC, especially since ‘Zoey’ apparently said OP was regretting her choices - the dog whistle on here for the child free to get riled up (understandably obvs)Granted it’s not been too bad yet but if it goes the way of similar threads it will get there soon enough, just as OP has planned no doubt.

Ah I see. I don’t usually read these kinds of threads so I wasn’t aware it was a thing!

BreatheAndFocus · 05/07/2025 08:14

YADNBU. It’s ok to bring a child along sometimes, but on this occasion it was clearly adult time and Cara shouldn’t have been brought along. I wonder if she did actually ask to go or if that was just her mum’s excuse. Obviously, I don’t know either of them so can only guess, but either Cara is spoilt and allowed to rule the roost, liking to demand to take part in adult social events, or her mum is very insecure and is moulding Cara to be her special friend, a friend who will always do what she says, never criticise and always worship. Narcissists like friends like that and can and do try to mould their children into mini-worshippers and sources of narcissistic supply.

The fact Zoey allowed Cara to interrupt the other adults and didn’t see anything wrong with it, is strange. Yes, ‘Mummy wants you to go back to your table now’ is polite code for ‘go away’, so the adults clearly weren’t happy. I think Zoey is trying to mould her daughter into a little mini-me worshipper. She is doing Cara a huge disservice.

thepariscrimefiles · 05/07/2025 08:14

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So report both posts then.

I hate it when posters post things like 'that never happened' or 'I don't believe you'. It's pointless. If a thread isn't to my taste, I don't bother reading or posting. I don't try and derail it.

There is no fact checking on Mumsnet and we have to take people at their word. If you can't do this, Mumsnet isn't for you.

Onelifeonly · 05/07/2025 08:15

I had kids later in life than a lot of my friends, so was the one sometimes stuck with having to take a child to meet ups when no one else was. I avoided doing so whenever possible but was grateful to those who were willing to put up with it. We adapted things to make it easier - took my hyperactive child for a walk in the park and chatted while watching them in the playground, as opposed to a cosy chat at home over coffee, for example. I never really liked having my friend's kids come out with us when I was childless so I understood others didn't really want mine there either.

I don't dislike kids in general, far from it, I've worked with them all my life, but it's fine to prefer adult only company socially - and fairly normal, I'd say!

Your friend cares nothing for your point of view OP. She's not a good friend. Maybe one day Cara will stop wanting to come and you can decide if there's anything left to salvage.....

chocolatemademefat · 05/07/2025 08:18

Parents are often obsessed with their own children but intelligent enough to know that other adults won’t feel the same about them. I can think of nothing worse than entertaining someone’s eight year old while trying to have an adult conversation. It’s not the fault of the child - it’s your friend who’s bringing her up with a massive sense of entitlement.

She may learn the hard way that by not reining her in now she’ll be a nightmare when she’s older. I wouldn’t be contacting your friend - you made yourself clear and it’s up to her if she wants to address it.

If you ever agree to meet up with her again and she brings a child along go home. Don’t dance to her tune. When her children grow up and want to be with their own friends she’ll be a lonely woman.

Whatatodo79 · 05/07/2025 08:23

I think the friendship has come to an end hasn't it. Whatever the reason for her bringing her kids (and it could just be she really likes to be with them) you are not getting what you are looking for here and should just let her go. I'd try to be civil as you don't know what the future holds, although that ship has sailed a bit possibly. It's hard to make new friends OP but seems like you could do with a couple. Best of luck to you

MaturingCheeseball · 05/07/2025 08:26

I remember when a woman brought her toddler along to a spa hen day (I already needed shooting!!) when she had already been told it was not allowed. It was a Saturday, her dh was at home, but she thought we’d all love to see her child! She had to sit in the foyer and then it sort of snowballed to all of us sitting in bathrobes in the draughty foyer for hours. Including eating stupid spa healthy lunch on our laps. 😡

Pushmepullu · 05/07/2025 08:26

To answer your question OP, if I was one of the women I would tell (and have done) Cara to go away in no uncertain terms. I don’t like precocious children and I dislike their parents even more.

MinnieBaldock · 05/07/2025 08:28

I remember your last post too and am glad you let her know her actions are unexceptable. I also had a friend who had to bring her daughter to every meet up, the daughter always took over the conversation which was really annoying.
You are better off with out this agg at the moment and I bet you find that your mutual friends will drop her too when she asks for sympathy from them.
I don't think you are in anyway selfish or self centred. Hope you find yourself in a better space soon.
Oh and not everyone has MH problems there are people who are just plain selfish like your so called friend.
I would be annoyed if I was in a restaurant with my friends and a kid came up pestering us and the parent did nothing about it.

alcoholnightmare · 05/07/2025 08:29

Has anyone got a link to the other thread please? I can’t search using the username for some reason

Charlotte120221 · 05/07/2025 08:30

Honestly YABU for banging on about it.

she keeps bringing her kids and you don’t want to spend time with them? Just stop seeing her and the drama goes away

Wilfrida1 · 05/07/2025 08:31

That child will end up like Violet Beauregarde .... and friendless.