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AIBU to ask my friend to stop her child pestering people in a restaurant?

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Letsblameitallonperi · 04/07/2025 23:55

I was meeting up with a friend Zoey today I hadn’t seen for a few weeks, I was really looking forward to seeing her.

We had arranged to have lunch in a proper restaurant (not the usual child friendly places) and I was hoping we could have some wine and adult conversation.
Almost every time I meet up with Zoey she has brought at least one of her two kids and it’s been difficult to talk properly.

It’s frustrating because her husband has even offered to look after them when we meet on a Friday because he has an early finish, Zoey often just laughs and says “oh it’s ok wildhorses likes to spend time with the kids” or something along those lines. Last time her husband could obviously tell I wasn’t impressed and gave me a regretful shrug, he tried pushing it but Zoey ignored him so I know it’s definitely not her husband behind this.

I posted on mumsnet a few months ago and was asked if it was possibly her husband being controlling and making her take the kids or refusing to look after them, I think I can confidently say that’s not the case, the last time he offered he seemed to be frustrated when Zoey turned down his offer and even asked if she didn’t trust him with his own kids, Zoey just laughs and insists I’m happy with the situation.
I was also given advice to suggest just one on one time and say I’d like to see her alone in a more adult environment, I followed this advice and told Zoey I wanted her advice on something I was really struggling with and wanted to talk to her properly as we can never discuss anything when she’s distracted by the kids.

I was surprised she actually agreed and so I wasn’t impressed when I turned up to see she had her daughter with her (it seems to be always her 8 year old daughter Cara she brings) and she said we could have a “girls afternoon”.

I was so pissed off I nearly walked out, I thought I’d been clear and Zoey knows I’m having a really rough time and I just wasn’t up for entertaining her daughter or listening to her many many stories.
I asked where Adam (her husband) was and if he was looking after her other child, Zoey said yes but Cara wanted to come.

It wasn’t a great day, everything we talked about was met with “who is that mum?” “Why did she do that?” “What does that mean?” When I gave up trying to have a conversation Zoey encouraged Cara to tell me all her “news” and I can assure you it was gripping stuff 🤦🏼‍♀️.

I was just going to leave and decided the friendship was over and there was no point having any big discussions or explaining I’d had enough, I realised Zoey just wasn’t interested enough to meet me alone and I wasn’t wasting my free time having “girlie lunches” with a 8 year old.

Just before we left Cara insisted on a pudding and as we were waiting there was a group of 4 women at the next table in their twenties/thirties who looked like they were having a great time laughing and drinking wine.
Cara went over to their table and started talking to them, they were polite but obviously weren’t that happy to be disturbed, after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”
I waited for Zoey to tell her to come back but she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

Thats when I had finally had enough, I told Zoey that Cara might like it but not everyone wants to be best friends with an 8 year old and that was a polite way for them to tell Cara to fuck off. Cara was out of earshot for that remark but obviously Zoey wasn’t happy, she told me I was an intolerant child - hating bitch who was clearly regretting my choice to not have kids and I was jealous of the bond she has with her daughter.

I’m not proud but I retaliated by saying she was obsessed with Cara and that’s obviously because she wasn’t mature enough to see her friends her own age and that even her husband seemed to think it was odd. I said other friends were absolutely fed up of Cara coming everywhere, sulking when she wasn’t invited to weddings, attempts to bring her on nights out and even spa days, I said she’d made Cara her whole identify and was selfish, boring and I hoped Cara would let her join in at birthday parties and her play dates because her friends were all sick of her.

We didn’t make a scene in the restaurant, it wasn’t shouting or anything, more hissed insults. Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

In the end I just walked away and I am now cringing at how pathetic it was that two adults in their forties were arguing with a child listening.
I haven’t heard from Zoey and I think I’ll block her, I’ve spoken to another friend who said she knows I’m struggling with a lot and she wasn’t surprised I’d got upset when I’d asked for support from my best friend and been ignored and then made to feel like I was unreasonable for wanting some time with her alone.

The main thing that pissed me off and the reason I posted was the fact Zoey wasn’t just bothered about ruining our day but she would have let Cara stay pestering the women at the next table, it just made me realise how selfish she has become.
I want to know if I was unreasonable for asking Zoey to tell Cara to come away from the other table or if I was just projecting my own annoyance and the women probably didn’t mind that much?
I have had a very difficult few weeks with a bereavement, I’ve just had surgery and I’m having mood swings from perimenopause, I’d appreciate honest opinions if I overreacted or not?

I expect some people will tell me IWBU and it’s normal to love your children and be proud of them, I hope there are a few others though that would have finally had enough and snapped?

OP posts:
Daffodilsarefading · 05/07/2025 06:28

To be honest I would have cut the date short. I’d have had to leave due to an ‘emergency.’
This reminds me of an ex’s sister and her dd. I dreaded going round in the end as I was always pestered by the niece.

alexalisten · 05/07/2025 06:30

Guavafish1 · 05/07/2025 05:29

I think you’re unreasonable

you should have been more specific and said you wanted a child free lunch.

then if she brought her … you would just say you’ll have a drink but you’ll leave shortly.

also you do seem intolerant of kids… I would just have a conversation about whatever in front of my friends kids regardless… it’s difficult sometimes for mothers to be separated from kids even if they are older.

I think you're unreasonable for not filtering yourself infront of children. Would you really sit their infront of an 8 year old and discuss your sex life, your relationship with your partner, how your boss is pissing you off and about your period, health issues, your family members cancer diagnosis, stresses in your life, whats happening in the news or an interesting true crime documentary you had seen recently

LillyPJ · 05/07/2025 06:30

MNpenisadvisor · 04/07/2025 23:58

Is this the mum who wanted to bring a child to a spa day in a previous post?

Yes - she mentions that in this post too.

alexalisten · 05/07/2025 06:35

You can really tell on here which posters are that annoying friend who insist on dragging their kids everywhere

Mumofsoontobe3 · 05/07/2025 06:36

I remember your old thread. I agree with you OP I'd get pissed off with it too. You can love your kids and spend plenty of time with them without including them in everything. My 6yo would be bored stiff in a restaurant without his brother and equally I wouldn't have him chatting to another table either, especially after they've politely hinted they didn't want to chat anymore. The odd comment 'I like the look of your puddding' or the like I think is generally ok, but no more than that. Sorry to hear your having a hard time, I hope you're recovering well from your surgery and things calm down for you in your person life.

marshmallowfinder · 05/07/2025 06:41

Whyamialwayslate · 05/07/2025 05:46

It’s your perception children are annoying to others , just cos you get annoyed doesn’t mean everyone does . many people are happy to chat to children , they are just smaller humans after all and having the confidence and social ability to strike up chats with people is a great skill and learning opportunity . Safe guarding issue Catch yourself on she’s having a chat with a group of women at next table in a public place , her mother is sat right there supervising!

Did you read the OP? The kid was told her mother was waiting for her. They'd had enough. Very obviously.

LilacWineIsSweetAndHeady · 05/07/2025 06:41

Off topic but why does she only drag Cara around with her? Is her other child a boy?

July202 · 05/07/2025 06:43

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

You sound quite unpleasant as well

July202 · 05/07/2025 06:44

Whyamialwayslate · 05/07/2025 05:46

It’s your perception children are annoying to others , just cos you get annoyed doesn’t mean everyone does . many people are happy to chat to children , they are just smaller humans after all and having the confidence and social ability to strike up chats with people is a great skill and learning opportunity . Safe guarding issue Catch yourself on she’s having a chat with a group of women at next table in a public place , her mother is sat right there supervising!

How condescending.

NotARealWookiie · 05/07/2025 06:50

I mean it wasn’t great to have the row in front of the child but in terms of her behaviour, she is the unreasonable one.

As someone with kids, when my childless friends ask to meet up I usually give two options - adult dinner or daytime with kids. Then the friend can decide, I’m fortunate that a lot of my friends say “can we book both” as they love to see my kids but also know that the chat will have to be PG and include them when they’re there.

I think you’ve done your time with this friend OP. Just don’t contact her again.

Needspaceforlego · 05/07/2025 06:58

Op I'd pull back from this friend.
She sounds horrendous. I just wouldn't consider taking my kids on a ladies lunch.

Occasionally my buddy and I might end up going out with kids because of DH shifts but it's prearranged thats whats happening and venue choosen accordingly.
But neither of us would just turn up with kids in tow.

alexalisten · 05/07/2025 06:58

NotARealWookiie · 05/07/2025 06:50

I mean it wasn’t great to have the row in front of the child but in terms of her behaviour, she is the unreasonable one.

As someone with kids, when my childless friends ask to meet up I usually give two options - adult dinner or daytime with kids. Then the friend can decide, I’m fortunate that a lot of my friends say “can we book both” as they love to see my kids but also know that the chat will have to be PG and include them when they’re there.

I think you’ve done your time with this friend OP. Just don’t contact her again.

This is how all my friends are we do things with the kids and things without the kids. The problem arises when people wont do anything without their kids.

Mymanyellow · 05/07/2025 07:02

Just what I was going to g to say @LilacWineIsSweetAndHeady I also wondered about the other child at home. Is that one a boy?
Why is it just Cara that had to go everywhere but doesn’t take the younger one?
Anyway you did the the right thing.

HallidayJones6779 · 05/07/2025 07:04

I think you've done the right thing. Life is too short and we have so little free time, that it's not worth spending with people that just aren't your people anymore. As another PP said, the friendship has just ran its course.

i have a 7 year old. I love her to pieces but I am totally aware that what I find endearing and part of a developing personality, others will just see as a bossy, opinionated child. Your friend has no self-awareness.

Evaka · 05/07/2025 07:07

Fair play OP, totally justified. Zoey is off her rocker.

This made me laugh:

Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

SquishyGloopyBum · 05/07/2025 07:07

I’m just glad I can have a rant on here because it’s hard to bring it up to other friends without sounding bitchy. I know one friend is a lot more sympathetic and she sticks up for Zoey and said we should all be a bit more understanding and patient and one day Cara won’t be interested in joining her mother and friends.

please talk to your other friends. You can factually point out that

a. You specifically asked for an adults only meeting in a venue that wasn’t child friendly because you wanted to talk to her about serious matters
b. That she wasn’t aware when others in the restaurant were getting annoyed.
c. That she was rude to you about being childfree.

it’s not being bitchy. It’s being at the end of your tether.

I think she’s a lost cause though. The family wedding stuff shows that.

my best friend is similar (I’m childfree by choice too). She has no interest in me. I’ve struggled for years, wanting to ride it out. I’ve just quietly withdrawn but it fucking hurts at times.

LlynTegid · 05/07/2025 07:10

Regardless of whether or not you continue this friendship, you have done the right thing to object to this behaviour.

The person who will suffer most by condoning and not acting is not you, but the child's mother (and father) by not setting standards, or the child if potential or actual friends are fewer as they get older.

Coolasfeck · 05/07/2025 07:15

Whyamialwayslate · 05/07/2025 05:46

It’s your perception children are annoying to others , just cos you get annoyed doesn’t mean everyone does . many people are happy to chat to children , they are just smaller humans after all and having the confidence and social ability to strike up chats with people is a great skill and learning opportunity . Safe guarding issue Catch yourself on she’s having a chat with a group of women at next table in a public place , her mother is sat right there supervising!

It’s not OPs perception at all. The group of women were in a an adult space, most of them had probably left their own kids at home in order to spend time with friends. They would have graciously tolerated a 30 second interaction with a child but not a full ‘chat’.

Many people like myself don’t really like precocious children. I have children and would not let them interrupt a group of adults on another table other than to say a quick hello.

yakkity · 05/07/2025 07:17

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 05/07/2025 00:32

Your post is insanely long so it didn't read it. Anyone who takes their kid to a not-childfriendly restaurant is a dick, so it's not surprising she doesn't care if her kid/s annoy other people. I wouldn't bother saying anything, because people like this don't care. From now on say you'd rather 1:1 time, although personally I'd prefer better friends and just phase her out. I'm guessing she's probably self centred in general.

The forum isn’t written specifically for you. I for one was quite happy with the length of the post because it was written coherently unlike some posts.

yakkity · 05/07/2025 07:19

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

Nothing self absorbed or entitled about wanting adult socialising

stayathomer · 05/07/2025 07:20

Not the point of the thread but why do people block people? You’re not talking, the job is done, why do people say they think they’re going to block them? Just seems petty!

Screamingabdabz · 05/07/2025 07:20

You did the right thing op. Don’t look back. Some women become utterly selfish and deranged when they become parents and she sounds like one of them.

An old school friend of mine just used to come to my house (uninvited) and sit playing with her dd and my kids’ toys, while I stupidly ignored my own children making her tea and sitting with her thinking she’d come for a chat. No. She had no interest in me. Just wanted a different ‘day out’ for her own dd. It still makes my blood boil as I fell for that for years.

Wadadli · 05/07/2025 07:22

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

Explain why OP is self absorbed in wanting to enjoy one to one time with her friend?

Two friends have done that to me: one bringing a 22 yo daughter along, the other bringing an early teens son. Neither time was I asked and I was annoyed, particularly as the former meet up was only the third time I’d been out/out since my mum died (I was a co-carer) and I really needed the comfort of a friend. I didn’t open up and said nothing.

My second friend is wonderful but somewhat obsessed with her son and now doesn’t arrange anything from July to September as all her free time is spent with her now 23 yo

My stepchildren would think I was insane if I asked them to accompany me to see a friend, and we’re extremely close 🤣

hattie43 · 05/07/2025 07:25

I cannot understand why people with kids always assume other people will love having them around . There’s no way I’d want to see my friends with kids tagging along .

JackdawRoost · 05/07/2025 07:25

You can sum it up in three words... Your friend is infected with "Main Character Syndrome", both in herself, and she's passed it on to her children.

Ironically ot does her kids no good
. It's not good parenting. It smacks of a deep insecurity within the mum. Also, very poor skills in maintaining friendships.

Are you worth more? Especially after the comments she made, yes, yes you are. I'd rather be alone than being an unwilling participant in the Look At My Totally Amazing Unique Child Circus.

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