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AIBU to ask my friend to stop her child pestering people in a restaurant?

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Letsblameitallonperi · 04/07/2025 23:55

I was meeting up with a friend Zoey today I hadn’t seen for a few weeks, I was really looking forward to seeing her.

We had arranged to have lunch in a proper restaurant (not the usual child friendly places) and I was hoping we could have some wine and adult conversation.
Almost every time I meet up with Zoey she has brought at least one of her two kids and it’s been difficult to talk properly.

It’s frustrating because her husband has even offered to look after them when we meet on a Friday because he has an early finish, Zoey often just laughs and says “oh it’s ok wildhorses likes to spend time with the kids” or something along those lines. Last time her husband could obviously tell I wasn’t impressed and gave me a regretful shrug, he tried pushing it but Zoey ignored him so I know it’s definitely not her husband behind this.

I posted on mumsnet a few months ago and was asked if it was possibly her husband being controlling and making her take the kids or refusing to look after them, I think I can confidently say that’s not the case, the last time he offered he seemed to be frustrated when Zoey turned down his offer and even asked if she didn’t trust him with his own kids, Zoey just laughs and insists I’m happy with the situation.
I was also given advice to suggest just one on one time and say I’d like to see her alone in a more adult environment, I followed this advice and told Zoey I wanted her advice on something I was really struggling with and wanted to talk to her properly as we can never discuss anything when she’s distracted by the kids.

I was surprised she actually agreed and so I wasn’t impressed when I turned up to see she had her daughter with her (it seems to be always her 8 year old daughter Cara she brings) and she said we could have a “girls afternoon”.

I was so pissed off I nearly walked out, I thought I’d been clear and Zoey knows I’m having a really rough time and I just wasn’t up for entertaining her daughter or listening to her many many stories.
I asked where Adam (her husband) was and if he was looking after her other child, Zoey said yes but Cara wanted to come.

It wasn’t a great day, everything we talked about was met with “who is that mum?” “Why did she do that?” “What does that mean?” When I gave up trying to have a conversation Zoey encouraged Cara to tell me all her “news” and I can assure you it was gripping stuff 🤦🏼‍♀️.

I was just going to leave and decided the friendship was over and there was no point having any big discussions or explaining I’d had enough, I realised Zoey just wasn’t interested enough to meet me alone and I wasn’t wasting my free time having “girlie lunches” with a 8 year old.

Just before we left Cara insisted on a pudding and as we were waiting there was a group of 4 women at the next table in their twenties/thirties who looked like they were having a great time laughing and drinking wine.
Cara went over to their table and started talking to them, they were polite but obviously weren’t that happy to be disturbed, after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”
I waited for Zoey to tell her to come back but she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

Thats when I had finally had enough, I told Zoey that Cara might like it but not everyone wants to be best friends with an 8 year old and that was a polite way for them to tell Cara to fuck off. Cara was out of earshot for that remark but obviously Zoey wasn’t happy, she told me I was an intolerant child - hating bitch who was clearly regretting my choice to not have kids and I was jealous of the bond she has with her daughter.

I’m not proud but I retaliated by saying she was obsessed with Cara and that’s obviously because she wasn’t mature enough to see her friends her own age and that even her husband seemed to think it was odd. I said other friends were absolutely fed up of Cara coming everywhere, sulking when she wasn’t invited to weddings, attempts to bring her on nights out and even spa days, I said she’d made Cara her whole identify and was selfish, boring and I hoped Cara would let her join in at birthday parties and her play dates because her friends were all sick of her.

We didn’t make a scene in the restaurant, it wasn’t shouting or anything, more hissed insults. Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

In the end I just walked away and I am now cringing at how pathetic it was that two adults in their forties were arguing with a child listening.
I haven’t heard from Zoey and I think I’ll block her, I’ve spoken to another friend who said she knows I’m struggling with a lot and she wasn’t surprised I’d got upset when I’d asked for support from my best friend and been ignored and then made to feel like I was unreasonable for wanting some time with her alone.

The main thing that pissed me off and the reason I posted was the fact Zoey wasn’t just bothered about ruining our day but she would have let Cara stay pestering the women at the next table, it just made me realise how selfish she has become.
I want to know if I was unreasonable for asking Zoey to tell Cara to come away from the other table or if I was just projecting my own annoyance and the women probably didn’t mind that much?
I have had a very difficult few weeks with a bereavement, I’ve just had surgery and I’m having mood swings from perimenopause, I’d appreciate honest opinions if I overreacted or not?

I expect some people will tell me IWBU and it’s normal to love your children and be proud of them, I hope there are a few others though that would have finally had enough and snapped?

OP posts:
nomas · 07/07/2025 07:14

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 07/07/2025 07:06

I really wouldn’t miss the next get together. That will give her the opportunity to force you out of the group altogether. Arguing in front of an 8 year old is entirely her fault not yours.

I agree. I would go.

Daleksatemyshed · 07/07/2025 07:34

I expect Zoey will be furious and contacting your other friends to complain about you and expecting them to defend Cara, I'd talk to them and see. You don't want your next meet up to be incredibly awkward

ASongbirdAndAOldHat · 07/07/2025 07:37

Agree, do not miss the next group meet up, otherwise it looks like you feel bad about what happened.

WhatNoRaisins · 07/07/2025 07:39

It's inevitable that Cara is going to hear some hurtful comments but that's on her batshit mother for putting her in inappropriate situations.

ALPS100 · 07/07/2025 07:54

beenwhereyouare · 07/07/2025 01:20

It bothers me that both of you argued about an 8-year-old right in front of her. If you look back on what was said, there were some comments that undoubtedly hurt Cara.

It might've been better in a phone call.

That is not OP's call (literally as it happens) it is totally on the Mum to decide and she obviously decided an argument in front of Verruca Salt was fine

Todayismyfavouriteday · 07/07/2025 10:20

Oh my God how unbearable this woman is... I've got children and love them more than anything in life, but don't take them with me to restaurants when I'm meeting adult friends, and I'm definitely not interested in catching up with my friends' children or hearing their news! Lose the friend.

BruFord · 07/07/2025 14:29

I agree with PP’s @Letsblameitallonperi , please don’t miss the next group meetup. Zoey is the one who’s not behaving well, not you.

Her 8 year old simply can’t be one of the girls, she’s a child! Just as Zoey can’t be part of Cara’s friendship group at school, for example. It’s daft!

I’m friendly with my DD’s (20) friends but I don’t go out on the town with them-I go out with some of their Mums though!

Hopingtobeaparent · 07/07/2025 14:52

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 05/07/2025 00:43

Good for you and don’t apologise to her, she needed telling.

This. Zoey has no insight, no boundaries…

Defo time for that friendship to be over!!

Sorry you’re having such a hard time. This ‘friend’ is really not worth your energy!!

I think you handled very well a very difficult situation! 👏🏻

Hopingtobeaparent · 07/07/2025 15:02

Buffs · 07/07/2025 00:54

You mentioned you have a mutual friend group but you might avoid the next get together. Let us know if you can, whether she is still bringing her daughter along or if she’s eventually learnt her lesson!

Yes, I’m interest to know too! I suspect Cara will go, Z won’t change…

beenwhereyouare · 07/07/2025 17:04

ALPS100 · 07/07/2025 07:54

That is not OP's call (literally as it happens) it is totally on the Mum to decide and she obviously decided an argument in front of Verruca Salt was fine

That doesn't take away the OP's ability to make decisions for herself. Her friend is at fault for so many things. I just think all of it is so sad for the child. She hasn't been taught how to interact with adults and strangers and has heard inappropriate things from her mother about other people's relationships. She'll have no idea why people are irritated with her behavior. Mum SHOULD know but apparently doesn't have a clue.

In fact, @Letsblameitallonperi , if you have any further contact with Zoey, you might want to tell her how damaging to her daughter her behavior really is. People won't stop to think WHY Cara behaves this way. They'll just be annoyed with or dislike the child.

bakebeans · 07/07/2025 22:35

LancashireButterPie · 06/07/2025 08:27

I wouldn't want to go out with either of you to be honest.
I once had a relative ask their child to show me a reel of around 500+ near identical holiday photos. Clearly, that was designed to give the mum a break but honestly so bloody boring.
But, I'm also getting sick of friends who are having a hard time and need to vent. It's ok to spend a couple of hours listening to one of them but when you have several friends "going through stuff" it becomes tedious and drags you down.
I'm backing out of friendships and focussing more on family lately.
What do you bring to this relationship OP? Are you bringing joy and laughter or are you a whinger? Maybe she brings her DD to lighten things up.
Finally, no one is interested in your menopause.

You clearly haven’t read this or the previous post.
The OP has mentioned her friend brings her daughter to every single get together with her adult friends including spa days. It is also mentioned that her husband has offered to have the child so she can enjoy time with her friends but the friend has declined. This is not normal?

July202 · 09/07/2025 19:57

@LancashireButterPieyou sound utterly ghastly

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