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AIBU to ask my friend to stop her child pestering people in a restaurant?

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Letsblameitallonperi · 04/07/2025 23:55

I was meeting up with a friend Zoey today I hadn’t seen for a few weeks, I was really looking forward to seeing her.

We had arranged to have lunch in a proper restaurant (not the usual child friendly places) and I was hoping we could have some wine and adult conversation.
Almost every time I meet up with Zoey she has brought at least one of her two kids and it’s been difficult to talk properly.

It’s frustrating because her husband has even offered to look after them when we meet on a Friday because he has an early finish, Zoey often just laughs and says “oh it’s ok wildhorses likes to spend time with the kids” or something along those lines. Last time her husband could obviously tell I wasn’t impressed and gave me a regretful shrug, he tried pushing it but Zoey ignored him so I know it’s definitely not her husband behind this.

I posted on mumsnet a few months ago and was asked if it was possibly her husband being controlling and making her take the kids or refusing to look after them, I think I can confidently say that’s not the case, the last time he offered he seemed to be frustrated when Zoey turned down his offer and even asked if she didn’t trust him with his own kids, Zoey just laughs and insists I’m happy with the situation.
I was also given advice to suggest just one on one time and say I’d like to see her alone in a more adult environment, I followed this advice and told Zoey I wanted her advice on something I was really struggling with and wanted to talk to her properly as we can never discuss anything when she’s distracted by the kids.

I was surprised she actually agreed and so I wasn’t impressed when I turned up to see she had her daughter with her (it seems to be always her 8 year old daughter Cara she brings) and she said we could have a “girls afternoon”.

I was so pissed off I nearly walked out, I thought I’d been clear and Zoey knows I’m having a really rough time and I just wasn’t up for entertaining her daughter or listening to her many many stories.
I asked where Adam (her husband) was and if he was looking after her other child, Zoey said yes but Cara wanted to come.

It wasn’t a great day, everything we talked about was met with “who is that mum?” “Why did she do that?” “What does that mean?” When I gave up trying to have a conversation Zoey encouraged Cara to tell me all her “news” and I can assure you it was gripping stuff 🤦🏼‍♀️.

I was just going to leave and decided the friendship was over and there was no point having any big discussions or explaining I’d had enough, I realised Zoey just wasn’t interested enough to meet me alone and I wasn’t wasting my free time having “girlie lunches” with a 8 year old.

Just before we left Cara insisted on a pudding and as we were waiting there was a group of 4 women at the next table in their twenties/thirties who looked like they were having a great time laughing and drinking wine.
Cara went over to their table and started talking to them, they were polite but obviously weren’t that happy to be disturbed, after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”
I waited for Zoey to tell her to come back but she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

Thats when I had finally had enough, I told Zoey that Cara might like it but not everyone wants to be best friends with an 8 year old and that was a polite way for them to tell Cara to fuck off. Cara was out of earshot for that remark but obviously Zoey wasn’t happy, she told me I was an intolerant child - hating bitch who was clearly regretting my choice to not have kids and I was jealous of the bond she has with her daughter.

I’m not proud but I retaliated by saying she was obsessed with Cara and that’s obviously because she wasn’t mature enough to see her friends her own age and that even her husband seemed to think it was odd. I said other friends were absolutely fed up of Cara coming everywhere, sulking when she wasn’t invited to weddings, attempts to bring her on nights out and even spa days, I said she’d made Cara her whole identify and was selfish, boring and I hoped Cara would let her join in at birthday parties and her play dates because her friends were all sick of her.

We didn’t make a scene in the restaurant, it wasn’t shouting or anything, more hissed insults. Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

In the end I just walked away and I am now cringing at how pathetic it was that two adults in their forties were arguing with a child listening.
I haven’t heard from Zoey and I think I’ll block her, I’ve spoken to another friend who said she knows I’m struggling with a lot and she wasn’t surprised I’d got upset when I’d asked for support from my best friend and been ignored and then made to feel like I was unreasonable for wanting some time with her alone.

The main thing that pissed me off and the reason I posted was the fact Zoey wasn’t just bothered about ruining our day but she would have let Cara stay pestering the women at the next table, it just made me realise how selfish she has become.
I want to know if I was unreasonable for asking Zoey to tell Cara to come away from the other table or if I was just projecting my own annoyance and the women probably didn’t mind that much?
I have had a very difficult few weeks with a bereavement, I’ve just had surgery and I’m having mood swings from perimenopause, I’d appreciate honest opinions if I overreacted or not?

I expect some people will tell me IWBU and it’s normal to love your children and be proud of them, I hope there are a few others though that would have finally had enough and snapped?

OP posts:
latetothefisting · 05/07/2025 01:07

Good for you op, and in answer to your specific question, I would have been really annoyed if a random 8 year old had come up and inserted herself in my conversation if I was out drinking with friends and would have been grateful for you for trying to get her to leave (and eye rolling at zoe for her comment).

It's likely that at least some of those women had kids themselves and were enjoying a break from them, not wanting to swap them for a different child!

Zoe really isn't doing her dd any favours by bringing her up to think everyone is fascinated by her. At least adults are usually too polite to tell her to shut up, but I can't imagine her peers are.

I wonder what zoe said to her dh when they got back, and what he replied!

JIMER202 · 05/07/2025 01:35

I adore my kids. I’d never ever take them to a meetup with a friend if my husband was home!!

I only take my children to meet friends if it’s a definite child friendly thing and other kids are attending. we have no family help so if I was home alone with my kids on eg your spa day then I’d have polorelt
declined!

She is literally bonkers! Weird and selfish.

And I cannot stand random children loitering and having to be pleasant because their parents won’t call them back. My own children are of course not allowed to do that and they are under 4! Her 8yr is spoiled.

Velmy · 05/07/2025 01:47

She sounds like a whack job. Well done you for setting her straight...although it sounds like she's unlikely to have taken it onboard 😅

coxesorangepippin · 05/07/2025 01:59

I do remember your previous post

You were absolutely in reason to tell her the truth

To be fair, you've given her more than her fair share of chances

RavenRoise · 05/07/2025 02:23

Hahaha legend OP. I bet there's a load of us who wishes we could say these things to some people we know!

Well done!

SunnyFTM567 · 05/07/2025 02:31

Friendship has run its course. Leave it. Block her if it makes you feel better.

She has some big issues she needs to resolve, the fact that she brought her 8 year old is plain weird.

The 8 year old is not weird, they like to talk a lot.

On the other hand, I wouldn't look forward to a lunch the entire point of which is to dump emotional baggage on me and talk about heavy stuff. She maybe didn't want any of that conversation to happen.

TokyoTantrum · 05/07/2025 02:50

Totally odd that Zoey never wants to go out without her daughter. It's normal to want space from your children now and again to have the chance to discuss adult topics. Your comment about her knowing about divorces etc made my skin crawl! That kind of thing is none of Cara's business and not appropriate.

I wouldn't block your friend, but just let the friendship fizzle out. Keep things up with your other friends.

echt · 05/07/2025 03:39

On the other hand, I wouldn't look forward to a lunch the entire point of which is to dump emotional baggage on me and talk about heavy stuff. She maybe didn't want any of that conversation to happen

The OP has never suggested that's what she wants to do, just an adult meeting without children present.

Samiloff · 05/07/2025 03:45

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

I don’t think that’s fair on OP at all. She doesn’t come across like that to me, though Zoey does.

OP, you were completely justified. Drop Zoey unless she agrees specifically to meet you without bringing her daughter. If the daughter turns up anyway, leave.

ByGreyTiger · 05/07/2025 04:02

I agree she is crazy and rude.
however her comment about you being jealous because you don’t have children - really unkind. She’s not a superior being because she has had children.

CanelliniBeans · 05/07/2025 04:15

Accept that your friendship is over and don’t expect anything from her. And also stop giving so much. Walk away. It’s sad but I don’t think you can change things. Maybe in the future your friend will have regrets but right now she’s not even aware there is a problem so she’s not likely to change.

Topseyt123 · 05/07/2025 04:18

Zoey is a complete twat. Good for you for saying it how it is. Do not be tempted to apologise as she needed to hear all of that even though she won't like it.

I cannot abide people who allow their children to go around annoying others in public places. Zoey seems to take that to a whole new level too. Allowing her child to just go up to total strangers and strike up conversations has to be a safeguarding issue too.

I remember your other threads. Zoey is unhinged. Make someone else your best friend.

Topseyt123 · 05/07/2025 04:23

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

I agree that Zoey is crackers, but that's all. The rest of your post is bollocks.

Lurkingandlearning · 05/07/2025 04:58

You are like a breath of fresh air. You said what needed to be said to her face straight away. Good for you.

yeticooler · 05/07/2025 05:15

Good for you!

Moonnstars · 05/07/2025 05:18

I remember the spa day post and it sounds like she hasn't changed at all. The fact she could leave one child at home shows there isn't an issue doing this and she is just being rude and ignoring you when you asked to meet her alone.
I think this friendship is done. Up to you if you send a message explaining this or to just not block and move on.

Guavafish1 · 05/07/2025 05:29

I think you’re unreasonable

you should have been more specific and said you wanted a child free lunch.

then if she brought her … you would just say you’ll have a drink but you’ll leave shortly.

also you do seem intolerant of kids… I would just have a conversation about whatever in front of my friends kids regardless… it’s difficult sometimes for mothers to be separated from kids even if they are older.

Whyamialwayslate · 05/07/2025 05:40

I feel perhaps that your friend is not meeting your needs at this stage in your lives . You have a certain expectation of the friendship , you have certain things you want to do and discuss with your friend and you feel her child gets in the way . This is very common in friendships where one has children and one doesn’t . I think it’s unfair to say some of the things you said about her and her child , she’s obsessed with her child as a lot of mothers are , she might not be being the type of friend you want right now but she’s prioritising her child as she should and is being a good mother . Many mothers treat children like an inconvenience and try to go on living their lives as if they are child free , fobbing their kids off to every babysitter they can find, wasting their kids precious younger years by not making time for them , here’s a mother actually bringing her child along with her simply because she enjoys her child - that little girl will grow up knowing she is loved , valued and prioritised over and above everything . That is the way children should feel rather than mum was too busy hanging out with her friends to spend time with me . However I completely understand that if she’s not your daughter and you don’t want to spend your time hanging out with some kid . I’m sure you would feel very differently if you also had kids and yous all hung out together . But at this stage of your life it just seems yous are in different places . You’re prob right to be done with her as it’s sounds like your very frustrated and it sounds like she doesn’t make kid free time for you for whatever reason . Yea I didn’t feel you needed to manage her kid talking at the table , I’m sure it wasn’t a long time and if people want to get annoyed by an innocent child taking a few mins to talk to them that’s their problem . To be honest I feel sorry for Cara in all this, it’s not her fault her mother brought her along , it’s not her fault you’re having such big feelings about her , she shouldn’t be witnessing the two of you arguing about her presence as if she’s some burden and making her feel responsible for your big feelings , you are are grown adults she is a child !

Whyamialwayslate · 05/07/2025 05:46

It’s your perception children are annoying to others , just cos you get annoyed doesn’t mean everyone does . many people are happy to chat to children , they are just smaller humans after all and having the confidence and social ability to strike up chats with people is a great skill and learning opportunity . Safe guarding issue Catch yourself on she’s having a chat with a group of women at next table in a public place , her mother is sat right there supervising!

Poppins21 · 05/07/2025 05:48

MNpenisadvisor · 04/07/2025 23:58

Is this the mum who wanted to bring a child to a spa day in a previous post?

Yes I remember those previous posts that would annoy me and I have my own daughter. I would be embrassed about Cara annoying the other table. But I think their friendship is over.

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 05/07/2025 05:52

Whyamialwayslate · 05/07/2025 05:40

I feel perhaps that your friend is not meeting your needs at this stage in your lives . You have a certain expectation of the friendship , you have certain things you want to do and discuss with your friend and you feel her child gets in the way . This is very common in friendships where one has children and one doesn’t . I think it’s unfair to say some of the things you said about her and her child , she’s obsessed with her child as a lot of mothers are , she might not be being the type of friend you want right now but she’s prioritising her child as she should and is being a good mother . Many mothers treat children like an inconvenience and try to go on living their lives as if they are child free , fobbing their kids off to every babysitter they can find, wasting their kids precious younger years by not making time for them , here’s a mother actually bringing her child along with her simply because she enjoys her child - that little girl will grow up knowing she is loved , valued and prioritised over and above everything . That is the way children should feel rather than mum was too busy hanging out with her friends to spend time with me . However I completely understand that if she’s not your daughter and you don’t want to spend your time hanging out with some kid . I’m sure you would feel very differently if you also had kids and yous all hung out together . But at this stage of your life it just seems yous are in different places . You’re prob right to be done with her as it’s sounds like your very frustrated and it sounds like she doesn’t make kid free time for you for whatever reason . Yea I didn’t feel you needed to manage her kid talking at the table , I’m sure it wasn’t a long time and if people want to get annoyed by an innocent child taking a few mins to talk to them that’s their problem . To be honest I feel sorry for Cara in all this, it’s not her fault her mother brought her along , it’s not her fault you’re having such big feelings about her , she shouldn’t be witnessing the two of you arguing about her presence as if she’s some burden and making her feel responsible for your big feelings , you are are grown adults she is a child !

I disagree. The child is 8 and OP has never had 1:1 time with her friend. The friend is completely obsessed. I have made a friend with my DCs friends mother and we enjoy spending time together without our DCs who are only preschoolers. It's not healthy for mother or child to be joined at the hip.

fungibletoken · 05/07/2025 06:00

The only bit that makes me wince slightly is having that conversation in front of Cara. I think I would have tried to get to the end of the meal, and said "can you give us five minutes please?" once you'd left the restaurant, and then insisted if Zoey dismissed the need for it. Appreciate you were probably at the end of your tether, though, and other similar attempts to get privacy in the past had been turned down!

alexalisten · 05/07/2025 06:19

wordywitch · 05/07/2025 00:03

Zoey is a bad friend with low self esteem who uses her children to shield her from participating in adult life. Good for you for calling her out on her bullshit. Block, delete, bye!

Well done for saying something and hopefully other friends will follow in your footsteps and it might make her realise.

alexalisten · 05/07/2025 06:23

Whyamialwayslate · 05/07/2025 05:46

It’s your perception children are annoying to others , just cos you get annoyed doesn’t mean everyone does . many people are happy to chat to children , they are just smaller humans after all and having the confidence and social ability to strike up chats with people is a great skill and learning opportunity . Safe guarding issue Catch yourself on she’s having a chat with a group of women at next table in a public place , her mother is sat right there supervising!

The group of women had told her to go back to her mum yet her mum still did nothing.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 05/07/2025 06:24

I was going to send her a message saying how I wanted us to still be friends and explain how upset and I hurt I was and that it’s almost like she finds my company so boring that she has to bring her daughter.

No, don't do that. Just leave it for her to stew on. And don't block her either, that's a bit childish. She'll either reflect on how she's behaving and come to her senses, offer you an apology and you can see her in future without her daughter in tow, or she'll end the friendship for good. But if you block her you'll never give her the chance to make things right and you'll never know whether she has the maturity and insight to do that, or not.

Also, by not blocking her but just leaving her hanging, it shows you are disciplined enough to leave the ball in her court and just walk away with your head held high, not giving into the temptation to get into a long drawn out argument over text.

There is no further debate to be had on the subject, remember. You've said your piece. She can either reflect, apologise and change, or you are happy to just leave it there and not see her again. Her call. But you have nothing to be sorry for.