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AIBU to ask my friend to stop her child pestering people in a restaurant?

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Letsblameitallonperi · 04/07/2025 23:55

I was meeting up with a friend Zoey today I hadn’t seen for a few weeks, I was really looking forward to seeing her.

We had arranged to have lunch in a proper restaurant (not the usual child friendly places) and I was hoping we could have some wine and adult conversation.
Almost every time I meet up with Zoey she has brought at least one of her two kids and it’s been difficult to talk properly.

It’s frustrating because her husband has even offered to look after them when we meet on a Friday because he has an early finish, Zoey often just laughs and says “oh it’s ok wildhorses likes to spend time with the kids” or something along those lines. Last time her husband could obviously tell I wasn’t impressed and gave me a regretful shrug, he tried pushing it but Zoey ignored him so I know it’s definitely not her husband behind this.

I posted on mumsnet a few months ago and was asked if it was possibly her husband being controlling and making her take the kids or refusing to look after them, I think I can confidently say that’s not the case, the last time he offered he seemed to be frustrated when Zoey turned down his offer and even asked if she didn’t trust him with his own kids, Zoey just laughs and insists I’m happy with the situation.
I was also given advice to suggest just one on one time and say I’d like to see her alone in a more adult environment, I followed this advice and told Zoey I wanted her advice on something I was really struggling with and wanted to talk to her properly as we can never discuss anything when she’s distracted by the kids.

I was surprised she actually agreed and so I wasn’t impressed when I turned up to see she had her daughter with her (it seems to be always her 8 year old daughter Cara she brings) and she said we could have a “girls afternoon”.

I was so pissed off I nearly walked out, I thought I’d been clear and Zoey knows I’m having a really rough time and I just wasn’t up for entertaining her daughter or listening to her many many stories.
I asked where Adam (her husband) was and if he was looking after her other child, Zoey said yes but Cara wanted to come.

It wasn’t a great day, everything we talked about was met with “who is that mum?” “Why did she do that?” “What does that mean?” When I gave up trying to have a conversation Zoey encouraged Cara to tell me all her “news” and I can assure you it was gripping stuff 🤦🏼‍♀️.

I was just going to leave and decided the friendship was over and there was no point having any big discussions or explaining I’d had enough, I realised Zoey just wasn’t interested enough to meet me alone and I wasn’t wasting my free time having “girlie lunches” with a 8 year old.

Just before we left Cara insisted on a pudding and as we were waiting there was a group of 4 women at the next table in their twenties/thirties who looked like they were having a great time laughing and drinking wine.
Cara went over to their table and started talking to them, they were polite but obviously weren’t that happy to be disturbed, after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”
I waited for Zoey to tell her to come back but she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

Thats when I had finally had enough, I told Zoey that Cara might like it but not everyone wants to be best friends with an 8 year old and that was a polite way for them to tell Cara to fuck off. Cara was out of earshot for that remark but obviously Zoey wasn’t happy, she told me I was an intolerant child - hating bitch who was clearly regretting my choice to not have kids and I was jealous of the bond she has with her daughter.

I’m not proud but I retaliated by saying she was obsessed with Cara and that’s obviously because she wasn’t mature enough to see her friends her own age and that even her husband seemed to think it was odd. I said other friends were absolutely fed up of Cara coming everywhere, sulking when she wasn’t invited to weddings, attempts to bring her on nights out and even spa days, I said she’d made Cara her whole identify and was selfish, boring and I hoped Cara would let her join in at birthday parties and her play dates because her friends were all sick of her.

We didn’t make a scene in the restaurant, it wasn’t shouting or anything, more hissed insults. Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

In the end I just walked away and I am now cringing at how pathetic it was that two adults in their forties were arguing with a child listening.
I haven’t heard from Zoey and I think I’ll block her, I’ve spoken to another friend who said she knows I’m struggling with a lot and she wasn’t surprised I’d got upset when I’d asked for support from my best friend and been ignored and then made to feel like I was unreasonable for wanting some time with her alone.

The main thing that pissed me off and the reason I posted was the fact Zoey wasn’t just bothered about ruining our day but she would have let Cara stay pestering the women at the next table, it just made me realise how selfish she has become.
I want to know if I was unreasonable for asking Zoey to tell Cara to come away from the other table or if I was just projecting my own annoyance and the women probably didn’t mind that much?
I have had a very difficult few weeks with a bereavement, I’ve just had surgery and I’m having mood swings from perimenopause, I’d appreciate honest opinions if I overreacted or not?

I expect some people will tell me IWBU and it’s normal to love your children and be proud of them, I hope there are a few others though that would have finally had enough and snapped?

OP posts:
MNpenisadvisor · 04/07/2025 23:58

Is this the mum who wanted to bring a child to a spa day in a previous post?

TheCurious0range · 04/07/2025 23:59

I remember your previous posts. Good for you.

wordywitch · 05/07/2025 00:03

Zoey is a bad friend with low self esteem who uses her children to shield her from participating in adult life. Good for you for calling her out on her bullshit. Block, delete, bye!

Lafufufu · 05/07/2025 00:10

I remember your previous posts.

I read this thinking thank God someone served her that truth burger.

Delete block and be happy that nonsense is no longer in your life.
Her behaviour is abnormal, both the intensity of her attachment and her inability to parent.
My 3.5 yr old isnt allowed to do what her dd did in that restaurant...

I say that as a mother who is mildly obsessed with her own kids...

Flashout · 05/07/2025 00:15

zoay is absolutely crackers

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:15

MNpenisadvisor · 04/07/2025 23:58

Is this the mum who wanted to bring a child to a spa day in a previous post?

Yes that’s the same person, I thought she might have learned from that but she just doesn’t care.

I was going to send her a message saying how I wanted us to still be friends and explain how upset and I hurt I was and that it’s almost like she finds my company so boring that she has to bring her daughter.

I changed my mind and I’m not going to block her but I am done with her. It will be awkward with other mutual friends but I think they are equally as fed up so it might give them a chance to be honest.

After the spa day there was another argument with her sister that she wanted Cara to be a bridesmaid at her wedding. Her sister wasn’t having bridesmaids as it was a really small wedding, Zoey wouldn’t give up and even bought a dress for Cara. She said she wasn’t going to the wedding but she did in the end when her other family stepped in.

It’s just not normal is it?! I don’t think she sees how weird and obsessive she is.

OP posts:
Flashout · 05/07/2025 00:17

Is there ANY insight from her?

Kimwestonhelpless · 05/07/2025 00:18

Bugger all of that , you're not an accessory to entertain an 8yr old.
Ditch her.

LurkyMcLurkinson · 05/07/2025 00:22

Having seen your previous post I think it’s safe to say this was a long time coming and was inevitable. Anyone’s tolerance would have eventually run out.

outingouting · 05/07/2025 00:23

Your pal is completely mental. Hopefully she’ll realise. But meanwhile I’d steer clear cos she’s incapable of being a friend.

Cuppa2sugars · 05/07/2025 00:24

Zoey is very weird. How can some people not see that others don’t want other peoples kids in their face ? Block delete and move on.

Tiredandtiredagain · 05/07/2025 00:27

She is obsessed with her daughter…. Ridiculous that she’s no self awareness.

ChaChaChaChanges · 05/07/2025 00:31

Quite aside from all your entirely reasonable objections, it’s really bad for Cara to be treated as the centre of the universe at all times.

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 05/07/2025 00:32

Your post is insanely long so it didn't read it. Anyone who takes their kid to a not-childfriendly restaurant is a dick, so it's not surprising she doesn't care if her kid/s annoy other people. I wouldn't bother saying anything, because people like this don't care. From now on say you'd rather 1:1 time, although personally I'd prefer better friends and just phase her out. I'm guessing she's probably self centred in general.

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:36

Flashout · 05/07/2025 00:17

Is there ANY insight from her?

I’d probably get more insight from talking to a brick wall.

She has seemed to take it in when people have raised it in the past but then turns it round that it’s actually everyone else who is wrong and unreasonable and I realised today she seems to think comments are from jealousy and she thinks her relationship with her daughter is something to be admired and aspired to.

I was going to give up but I had some great advice on the last post and when she said she’d meet me alone I thought I’d got through to her. She had obviously never intended to come alone in the first place.

I know it’s a horrible thing to say about a child and 8 is a difficult age, her daughter just isn’t pleasant to be around. It’ll be how she’s been brought up but she acts like she knows everything, interrupts, argues and gives her opinion on everything.

Zoey either tells her things about other peoples lives or she overhears but Cara asked me if my sister was still considering a divorce or if she had worked things out with her husband. I have never discussed this in front of Cara and I wouldn’t expect her to know or be interested about it.

I’m just glad I can have a rant on here because it’s hard to bring it up to other friends without sounding bitchy. I know one friend is a lot more sympathetic and she sticks up for Zoey and said we should all be a bit more understanding and patient and one day Cara won’t be interested in joining her mother and friends.

I was sticking it out waiting for that day to come but 8 is pretty old to still want to be tagging along and I’ve read posts on here about people taking their teens everywhere. I am done with it all now!

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Limegreentrashcan · 05/07/2025 00:38

Good for you OP. I'd personally move on and grey rock/take an emotional break from this situation. Don't get dragged into any drama.

From your description and the spa thread, I wonder about undiagnosed autism in both Cara and Zoey. It would explain a lot.

Nothing you can do about it, but a lot of the behaviours seem absolutely classic.

I have family members who are ND/autistic.

Care for them a lot and they can and have been brilliantly helpful 1-1.

However, going out with them socially can be hard as they decide to get socially involved with any stranger they like the look of.

If they overhear a conversation they're interested in they may just walk over and try to join in.

And it is challenging to explain that the other person might not be comfortable, as they just argue and get defensive.

If they get a rigid idea about something, that's it...there's no room for dissent and you may as well be just talking to the wall!

cadburyegg · 05/07/2025 00:38

I have 2 kids and there is no way I would let them go and talk to a random group of people in a restaurant! I definitely am not a child hater 🤣

Unfortunately some people become very insular when they have kids and don’t think outside their little bubble. The last time I asked my former best friend to meet up her suggestion was for me to come to her 6 year old’s 5 minute dance performance.

i hope you’re ok OP and sorry you have been through a difficult time.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 05/07/2025 00:43

Good for you and don’t apologise to her, she needed telling.

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:45

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

That’s fair enough I appreciate the feedback, just out of interest can I ask how I’ve been self absorbed and entitled?

I have spent years meeting up with my friend in soft play, McDonald’s and had endless nights at her house when Zoey refused to come out.

I have attended the kids birthday parties, school plays, bought birthday and Christmas presents and listened for hours when Zoey talks about them.

I haven’t seen my best friend alone for as long as I can remember and she probably doesn’t know much about my life as I can’t discuss it in front of her kids.

I appreciated we were in different stages - especially when the kids were very young, and when everything had to revolve round them but she could easily find free time now. If she had no childcare options I’d be more understanding but she chooses to bring them everywhere.

My other friends have kids and it doesn’t affect our friendship and they are also fed up with the situation.

Do you think I’ve been expecting too much?

OP posts:
Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 05/07/2025 00:46

Limegreentrashcan · 05/07/2025 00:38

Good for you OP. I'd personally move on and grey rock/take an emotional break from this situation. Don't get dragged into any drama.

From your description and the spa thread, I wonder about undiagnosed autism in both Cara and Zoey. It would explain a lot.

Nothing you can do about it, but a lot of the behaviours seem absolutely classic.

I have family members who are ND/autistic.

Care for them a lot and they can and have been brilliantly helpful 1-1.

However, going out with them socially can be hard as they decide to get socially involved with any stranger they like the look of.

If they overhear a conversation they're interested in they may just walk over and try to join in.

And it is challenging to explain that the other person might not be comfortable, as they just argue and get defensive.

If they get a rigid idea about something, that's it...there's no room for dissent and you may as well be just talking to the wall!

Oh FFS. Some people are just selfish. Not everyone has autism 🙄

faithcrowley · 05/07/2025 00:49

You’re not expecting too much, OP. Nor do you sound selfish and entitled. I remember your previous thread and it sounds as though you and your other friends have been more than understanding; it’s not too much to ask your friend to meet you even once alone. I think you’re doing the right thing by just cutting things off on your end until she sees sense. That is not normal behaviour.

BruFord · 05/07/2025 00:52

I feel sorry for Cara, her Mum isn't teaching her basic social etiquette and boundaries, such as not bothering other people in restaurants, and she's also involving her in far too mature conversations such as other people's divorces. She's not her Mum's bff, she's 8!

I hope the poor child has some friends of her own age and can be a child when she's away from her Mum.

Okiedokie123 · 05/07/2025 00:53

YADNBU. I remember your previous posts too.
(possible name change fail reference @Letsblameitallonperi in your op that you might want to edit)
Z sounds exhausting and odd. I suspect that in a few years when C is a teen shes going to have a bunch of issues to deal with to do with C.

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:53

Limegreentrashcan · 05/07/2025 00:38

Good for you OP. I'd personally move on and grey rock/take an emotional break from this situation. Don't get dragged into any drama.

From your description and the spa thread, I wonder about undiagnosed autism in both Cara and Zoey. It would explain a lot.

Nothing you can do about it, but a lot of the behaviours seem absolutely classic.

I have family members who are ND/autistic.

Care for them a lot and they can and have been brilliantly helpful 1-1.

However, going out with them socially can be hard as they decide to get socially involved with any stranger they like the look of.

If they overhear a conversation they're interested in they may just walk over and try to join in.

And it is challenging to explain that the other person might not be comfortable, as they just argue and get defensive.

If they get a rigid idea about something, that's it...there's no room for dissent and you may as well be just talking to the wall!

I don’t think they are neurodivergent at all, I am however (hence the long post, doubting myself and seeking reassurance) and so is my DP and multiple of family members. Based on this I would likely recognise it.

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