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AIBU to ask my friend to stop her child pestering people in a restaurant?

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Letsblameitallonperi · 04/07/2025 23:55

I was meeting up with a friend Zoey today I hadn’t seen for a few weeks, I was really looking forward to seeing her.

We had arranged to have lunch in a proper restaurant (not the usual child friendly places) and I was hoping we could have some wine and adult conversation.
Almost every time I meet up with Zoey she has brought at least one of her two kids and it’s been difficult to talk properly.

It’s frustrating because her husband has even offered to look after them when we meet on a Friday because he has an early finish, Zoey often just laughs and says “oh it’s ok wildhorses likes to spend time with the kids” or something along those lines. Last time her husband could obviously tell I wasn’t impressed and gave me a regretful shrug, he tried pushing it but Zoey ignored him so I know it’s definitely not her husband behind this.

I posted on mumsnet a few months ago and was asked if it was possibly her husband being controlling and making her take the kids or refusing to look after them, I think I can confidently say that’s not the case, the last time he offered he seemed to be frustrated when Zoey turned down his offer and even asked if she didn’t trust him with his own kids, Zoey just laughs and insists I’m happy with the situation.
I was also given advice to suggest just one on one time and say I’d like to see her alone in a more adult environment, I followed this advice and told Zoey I wanted her advice on something I was really struggling with and wanted to talk to her properly as we can never discuss anything when she’s distracted by the kids.

I was surprised she actually agreed and so I wasn’t impressed when I turned up to see she had her daughter with her (it seems to be always her 8 year old daughter Cara she brings) and she said we could have a “girls afternoon”.

I was so pissed off I nearly walked out, I thought I’d been clear and Zoey knows I’m having a really rough time and I just wasn’t up for entertaining her daughter or listening to her many many stories.
I asked where Adam (her husband) was and if he was looking after her other child, Zoey said yes but Cara wanted to come.

It wasn’t a great day, everything we talked about was met with “who is that mum?” “Why did she do that?” “What does that mean?” When I gave up trying to have a conversation Zoey encouraged Cara to tell me all her “news” and I can assure you it was gripping stuff 🤦🏼‍♀️.

I was just going to leave and decided the friendship was over and there was no point having any big discussions or explaining I’d had enough, I realised Zoey just wasn’t interested enough to meet me alone and I wasn’t wasting my free time having “girlie lunches” with a 8 year old.

Just before we left Cara insisted on a pudding and as we were waiting there was a group of 4 women at the next table in their twenties/thirties who looked like they were having a great time laughing and drinking wine.
Cara went over to their table and started talking to them, they were polite but obviously weren’t that happy to be disturbed, after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”
I waited for Zoey to tell her to come back but she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

Thats when I had finally had enough, I told Zoey that Cara might like it but not everyone wants to be best friends with an 8 year old and that was a polite way for them to tell Cara to fuck off. Cara was out of earshot for that remark but obviously Zoey wasn’t happy, she told me I was an intolerant child - hating bitch who was clearly regretting my choice to not have kids and I was jealous of the bond she has with her daughter.

I’m not proud but I retaliated by saying she was obsessed with Cara and that’s obviously because she wasn’t mature enough to see her friends her own age and that even her husband seemed to think it was odd. I said other friends were absolutely fed up of Cara coming everywhere, sulking when she wasn’t invited to weddings, attempts to bring her on nights out and even spa days, I said she’d made Cara her whole identify and was selfish, boring and I hoped Cara would let her join in at birthday parties and her play dates because her friends were all sick of her.

We didn’t make a scene in the restaurant, it wasn’t shouting or anything, more hissed insults. Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

In the end I just walked away and I am now cringing at how pathetic it was that two adults in their forties were arguing with a child listening.
I haven’t heard from Zoey and I think I’ll block her, I’ve spoken to another friend who said she knows I’m struggling with a lot and she wasn’t surprised I’d got upset when I’d asked for support from my best friend and been ignored and then made to feel like I was unreasonable for wanting some time with her alone.

The main thing that pissed me off and the reason I posted was the fact Zoey wasn’t just bothered about ruining our day but she would have let Cara stay pestering the women at the next table, it just made me realise how selfish she has become.
I want to know if I was unreasonable for asking Zoey to tell Cara to come away from the other table or if I was just projecting my own annoyance and the women probably didn’t mind that much?
I have had a very difficult few weeks with a bereavement, I’ve just had surgery and I’m having mood swings from perimenopause, I’d appreciate honest opinions if I overreacted or not?

I expect some people will tell me IWBU and it’s normal to love your children and be proud of them, I hope there are a few others though that would have finally had enough and snapped?

OP posts:
Longyitudeed · 05/07/2025 12:17

Zoey is ghastly and has been a selfish PITA for years.
Those women were kinder than I would have been.

Such ignorance to allow your child interrupt the meal of others.
Clearly you have tolerated far too much for years, as have your other friends.

Not normal.
Most women would have cut her off the second time she dragged a child along to an adult evening.
It is a complete No no.

Don't contact her. The relationship is over for years.
Move on. She's awful.

the7Vabo · 05/07/2025 12:18

OfficerChurlish · 05/07/2025 12:04

It also crossed my mind that Cara might be, justifiably or erroneously, afraid of being left with Adam and Zoey is desperate to keep this a secret and maybe overcompensating by centering and spoiling Cara. (The fact that the other child doesn't mind may not be relevant.)

Otherwise, the dynamic is completely unhealthy; Adam and Zoe each need child-free time and the children need time with each parent. And if Cara genuinely wants "a girls' afternoon" or "girlie lunches" (misleading expressions, as Cara is actually a girl but her mother and her mother's friends are not) then it would be nicer for her if Zoey took her out on her own, or invited one or more of Cara's same-age friends along.

I think your response was unfortunate and you probably feel regretful and guilty about that, which may be why you're focusing on this so much. However, after she told me I was an intolerant child - hating bitch who was clearly regretting my choice to not have kids and I was jealous of the bond she has with her daughter I'd be pretty much finished with Zoey too.

It’s the last bit, the last bit is a nail in the coffin IMO

diddl · 05/07/2025 12:24

she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

I would have had something to say to her if that had been her response when I was out with friends!

You should have just walked away when they arrived.

Utterlyconfusednow · 05/07/2025 12:26

diddl · 05/07/2025 12:24

she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

I would have had something to say to her if that had been her response when I was out with friends!

You should have just walked away when they arrived.

Yes, zero self awareness.

dottiedodah · 05/07/2025 12:32

Hi OP ,I dont think YABU at all! When my DC were younger ,I relished a night out or lunch with the girls, or my close friend.Once only my DD came out to the Italian Restaurant ( My birthday,)and felt very special and pleased.She was collected by DH and we went to a club( My 40th) and she went home with Daddy.I think that this sounds weird and not very healthy TBH. At 8 she should have chums of her own age .Divorce is not a suitable topic for a young girl .I think you may have to accept this is how she is maybe .Some Mums want a Mini Me to have in tow .Doing nails and hair and "girly things" sounds like this is what shes like.I would see your other friends instead .She is going to have a shock when her DD is a teenager!

BlueandPinkSwan · 05/07/2025 12:38

AmyDudley · 05/07/2025 11:00

Do you always talk absolute bollocks ?

Love this in response to lindo There are several posters on here talking the same.😄

Ireallywantadoughnut36 · 05/07/2025 12:43

I think this is a combi of things, you're not being unreasonable at all but I suspect

  • you're at totally different stages, she is clearly mid family life, wanting to spend all spare time with her kids, if she works she might miss them during the week
  • you clearly need someone to listen to you and be there for you, for very valuable reasons which doesn't mesh with children at all
  • she may notice you're not a fan of her daughter and want you two to bond (bad approach but she will think her children are wonderful and want you to see it too)

She does seem over the top, but maybe you needed to be more direct to make it clear you needed a quiet listening meet up. Or maybe she's just an awful friend. Or maybe somethings going on (separation anxiety on daughters part, some kind of issue with your friend, anxiety)
I think you're right to give it all some space for a bit, she's not being a good friend and you need one right now. Prioritise yourself, seek support elsewhere, maybe she'll apologise and come round, maybe she won't but that's all on her to explain.

Cherrytree86 · 05/07/2025 12:44

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

@Citroenc1

How does she sound self absorbed and entitled?? She doesn’t need her friends to be childless she needs them to just not be weird like this Zoey is!

latetothefisting · 05/07/2025 12:44

Why are people absolutely scrabbling for the most unlikely excuses like Zoey being afraid to leave her dd with her own dad, rather than the most obvious explanation, which is unfortunately pretty common, that Zoey thinks her child is uniquely special and fascinating and so surely everyone else agrees?

This has been happening for 8 YEARS. If Zoey had such significant concerns about leaving her dd with her dad she would be an absolutely terrible mum to have carried on living with him in the same house, with unlimited access to her.

In 8 years she's never asked another friend or her sister or her mum or a babysitter to keep an eye on Cara for an hour while she met up with friends, even after (see spa thread) her friends have repeatedly told her it's an issue?

After being told repeatedly people don't want Cara to come she hasn't taken the opportunity to confide in even one of her closest friends that there's a reason she needs to bring Cara - it wouldn't even have to be the truth, she could make something up?

She's done none of that - she repeatedly says she WANTS to bring Cara, Cara WANTS to come, and doesn't care that other people don't want her there.

If the only issue was her not wanting to leave Cara with her DH then how do you justify her doing the same thing to the bunch of women on the other table?

Utterlyconfusednow · 05/07/2025 12:45

latetothefisting · 05/07/2025 12:44

Why are people absolutely scrabbling for the most unlikely excuses like Zoey being afraid to leave her dd with her own dad, rather than the most obvious explanation, which is unfortunately pretty common, that Zoey thinks her child is uniquely special and fascinating and so surely everyone else agrees?

This has been happening for 8 YEARS. If Zoey had such significant concerns about leaving her dd with her dad she would be an absolutely terrible mum to have carried on living with him in the same house, with unlimited access to her.

In 8 years she's never asked another friend or her sister or her mum or a babysitter to keep an eye on Cara for an hour while she met up with friends, even after (see spa thread) her friends have repeatedly told her it's an issue?

After being told repeatedly people don't want Cara to come she hasn't taken the opportunity to confide in even one of her closest friends that there's a reason she needs to bring Cara - it wouldn't even have to be the truth, she could make something up?

She's done none of that - she repeatedly says she WANTS to bring Cara, Cara WANTS to come, and doesn't care that other people don't want her there.

If the only issue was her not wanting to leave Cara with her DH then how do you justify her doing the same thing to the bunch of women on the other table?

Wholly agree, well said.

Cherrytree86 · 05/07/2025 12:55

Moonnstars · 05/07/2025 05:18

I remember the spa day post and it sounds like she hasn't changed at all. The fact she could leave one child at home shows there isn't an issue doing this and she is just being rude and ignoring you when you asked to meet her alone.
I think this friendship is done. Up to you if you send a message explaining this or to just not block and move on.

@Moonnstars

why is difficult? We’re talking about them being separated for an afternoon, not six weeks? This Zoey is gonna be so lonely when Cara grows up and doesn’t wanna be with her all the times as she’ll have fucked all her friends off

Cherrytree86 · 05/07/2025 12:58

Whyamialwayslate · 05/07/2025 05:40

I feel perhaps that your friend is not meeting your needs at this stage in your lives . You have a certain expectation of the friendship , you have certain things you want to do and discuss with your friend and you feel her child gets in the way . This is very common in friendships where one has children and one doesn’t . I think it’s unfair to say some of the things you said about her and her child , she’s obsessed with her child as a lot of mothers are , she might not be being the type of friend you want right now but she’s prioritising her child as she should and is being a good mother . Many mothers treat children like an inconvenience and try to go on living their lives as if they are child free , fobbing their kids off to every babysitter they can find, wasting their kids precious younger years by not making time for them , here’s a mother actually bringing her child along with her simply because she enjoys her child - that little girl will grow up knowing she is loved , valued and prioritised over and above everything . That is the way children should feel rather than mum was too busy hanging out with her friends to spend time with me . However I completely understand that if she’s not your daughter and you don’t want to spend your time hanging out with some kid . I’m sure you would feel very differently if you also had kids and yous all hung out together . But at this stage of your life it just seems yous are in different places . You’re prob right to be done with her as it’s sounds like your very frustrated and it sounds like she doesn’t make kid free time for you for whatever reason . Yea I didn’t feel you needed to manage her kid talking at the table , I’m sure it wasn’t a long time and if people want to get annoyed by an innocent child taking a few mins to talk to them that’s their problem . To be honest I feel sorry for Cara in all this, it’s not her fault her mother brought her along , it’s not her fault you’re having such big feelings about her , she shouldn’t be witnessing the two of you arguing about her presence as if she’s some burden and making her feel responsible for your big feelings , you are are grown adults she is a child !

Mothers should have time to themselves with their mates without their kids present.

why does a child needs to be prioritised above everything else? Surely it’s good for kids especially girls to see their mother also prioritise their friends and having a life away from being a mother? @Whyamialwayslate

Tigergirl80 · 05/07/2025 13:08

I’m shocked she is still doing this after the spa day drama. 🫣🫣🫣

Daleksatemyshed · 05/07/2025 13:26

Well there's her true colours @Letsblameitallonperi, Zoey can only imagine you're jealous you don't have a DC like hers, it can't possibly be that her DD has become an annoyance.
In the previous thread the give away for me was the spa saying no DC and Zoey asking why they couldn't make an exception, she really thinks her DD is so mature and special they should bend the rules for her. I'm afraid nothing you or your friends say is going to penetrate that level of enmeshment.

zingally · 05/07/2025 13:30

Ah, I remember your post about the spa day a while back...
I think all this coming to a head was probably long overdue. I think a break from each other (and Cara) is for the best.

I went on holiday with a friend and her two kids fairly recently. Her DD was a pleasure to be around, but her DS was completely obnoxious the whole trip and put a bit of a dampener on it. It's unfortunate but true, not all things are for all kids.

whynotwhatknot · 05/07/2025 13:30

i remember you0r other thread-the woman is insane-she doesnt listen she doesnt learn and shes going to be very lonely one day

cara sounds like a verruca salt in the making

maybe you shoujld message the husband and explain happened ina nice way ands that your sorry you wont be friends anymore but she needs to listen

KimberleyClark · 05/07/2025 14:06

Whyamialwayslate · 05/07/2025 05:46

It’s your perception children are annoying to others , just cos you get annoyed doesn’t mean everyone does . many people are happy to chat to children , they are just smaller humans after all and having the confidence and social ability to strike up chats with people is a great skill and learning opportunity . Safe guarding issue Catch yourself on she’s having a chat with a group of women at next table in a public place , her mother is sat right there supervising!

The women concerned weren’t happy about it though. Doesn’t that matter? Didn’t they have a right to have lunch and drinks together in peace?

MinnieGirl · 05/07/2025 14:12

Has Zoey been in touch at all? Or any of your other group of friends?
I would send them a quick message - just to let you know had a big fall out with Zoey and I doubt very much whether the friendship will continue…. Just wanted to give you all the heads up.
No need to go into details, I’m sure they will all guess…and just make it clear you won’t be going to any meet ups with Zoey in the future.

iamgoingthere · 05/07/2025 14:21

Not your finest moment saying all that in front of the 8 year old, but Zoe didn’t leave you much choice, did she? I would say it’s all on her.

8 year olds can be annoying tbf, but this child knows way too much. Asking you about your sister’s relationship is totally inappropriate behaviour. Again, this is on Zoe, treating Cara like her mini-me. I am interested in what Zoe’s relationship is like with her other child/children? Are they boys by any chance?

lessglittermoremud · 05/07/2025 14:37

I remember your previous posts as well and thought your friend was nuts.
You weren’t asking a lot, just a couple of hours of adult company.
Someone should have said something sooner, the spa day should have been the end of it.
Her poor husband trying to negotiate it and spend time with his daughter must get him down as well.
I love my children, they are funny, intelligent and fun to be with however I love to spend time with my friends and leave them at home with their Dad because for those few hours, i’m just me.

Booboobagins · 05/07/2025 14:42

Im afraid Zoey is living vacariously through her DD.

It's sad.

The friendship has def ran its course. And sometimes we can't avoid hushed arguments in front of others. The fact it was in front of Zoes DD is really on Zoey, she should have moved you but her choosing not to is again so she can live the experience through her child when they eventually talk about it.

DeemonLlama · 05/07/2025 14:58

Think you did nothing wrong. Zoey seems very self absorbed and she may eventually get it but no time soon and probably not ever but in the future when she has no friends left because of this sort of thing and Cara has grown up and doesnt want to hang out with her mum anymore and Zoey gets lonely she may eventually get it. But then it will probably be too late as everyone will have moved on and be strangers.

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 15:04

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

Exactly, you just wanted to meet your friend and bore her with all.your troubles and you couldn't do it with a child around.
Agree just find childless friends.
Her daughter will always come first to her.

AlligatorTears · 05/07/2025 15:12

I hate meeting up with my friends with children in tow (mine or theirs) as you absolutely can’t talk. There’s no way on this planet I’d take mine to a 1:1 meet up, and if for some reason I had no childcare and no choice I’d message my friend and tell them we need to rearrange, I’d never expect them to sit through a meal with one of my kids!

FourLove · 05/07/2025 15:13

FWIW, I wouldn't like this situation either particularly having asked for one to one time with Zoe. It's not a question of how much I liked the child; conversation with children present has to exclude adult subjects so is quite limiting.
But I think it's more important that YOU know that that don't want this pattern to continue and that you stand up for yourself by acting on the fact that you're not interested in continuing a friendship in which there is always a little girl included in your outings. You are in your rights to say that this isn't the sort of friendship you are after, so please can Zoe leave it until she feels able to go out with you on your own.